Car has hard time starting, wont stay alive without throttle

[JJ Alfano]

so the car has a terrible time starting, and when it does, you gotta stay on the throttle like a mofo to keep it alive. i mean full 100% throttle to make it slightly above idle, its still burning a lot of brake cleaner (i can tell my the massive smoke and terrible smell)

it pretty much acts like a blown headgasket (hard starting issues, bog out) but no coolant is present out of the exhaust, and its not white smoke..its like a grey. plus im not burning any coolant since the radiator is still full.

fuel pump has power and pushing fuel

i have spark

timing may be off after figiting

but what do you guys think? we did the dollar trick on the exhaust and its not sucking in

[flip]

Did you mess with anything before this happened, or did anything change?

[JJ Alfano]

nope, we got it running the other night, decided to call it a day, and went drifting. the next morning i go to start it up before finishing up the transmission and driveshaft and clutch and all i hear is *click click*

[Casey]

wtf how much brake cleaner did you put in that thing

[flip]

So it was just clicking at first? Did you have to jump it off? Did you try anything to get it to start that may have flooded it?

[JJ Alfano]

wtf how much brake cleaner did you put in that thing

that intake mani was fucking polished to hell after i got done with it

yup, i had a battery boosting it after it started to die again

unless the fuel pump didnt turn off, thats the only thing i can imagine would cause it to flood

[flip]

So the battery died and its having trouble starting? Two separate issues?

Was the car running fine for a while then did this? What did you work on previously if so?

Is this a motor swap you've done? I don't really understand whats going on or what has happened here...

[Zippy69]

Sounds like a maf issue.
Are you saying you cleaned the intake with brake cleaner? If so, I don't think that would play too much of a roll, as brake cleaner dries pretty quick.
Double check your maf and timing.
Did you pull codes?

[JJ Alfano]

So the battery died and its having trouble starting? Two separate issues?

Was the car running fine for a while then did this? What did you work on previously if so?

Is this a motor swap you've done? I don't really understand whats going on or what has happened here...

yeah just swapped KAs

the brake cleaner had plenty of time to dry, but the fumes may still be in the block maybe?

anyways

2 days ago, we got it cranked no problem. turned it off and left the house. the next morning just attempted to turn the key, and the battery was dead.

went to autozone, got it charged, tried again.

turned out to be a grounding issue.

after the grounding issue was fixed, we cranked it every now and then, but it would almost immediatly die if we didnt stay on that throttle to hell. it was sporatically sound strong, and next thing you know, you had to keep it full throttle to idle correctly. very wierd. adjusted the timing some more but couldnt get it cranked, so i guess we should go back to when it was running, but i need help and my buddies are off doing something right now.

but every single vaccum line is blocked, the 3 emissions up front, the 2 on the back of the chassis, the brake booster has no leak, the emissions stuff in the back is all good to go, and the charcoal canister on the intake side vaccuum line is also blocked

it turns, has spark, has fuel. no crank

i will have video of me trying to crank it here in a few minutes...

[flip]

Sounds like a maf issue.
Are you saying you cleaned the intake with brake cleaner? If so, I don't think that would play too much of a roll, as brake cleaner dries pretty quick.
Double check your maf and timing.
Did you pull codes?


yeah just swapped KAs

the brake cleaner had plenty of time to dry, but the fumes may still be in the block maybe?

anyways

2 days ago, we got it cranked no problem. turned it off and left the house. the next morning just attempted to turn the key, and the battery was dead.

went to autozone, got it charged, tried again.

turned out to be a grounding issue.

after the grounding issue was fixed, we cranked it every now and then, but it would almost immediatly die if we didnt stay on that throttle to hell. it was sporatically sound strong, and next thing you know, you had to keep it full throttle to idle correctly. very wierd. adjusted the timing some more but couldnt get it cranked, so i guess we should go back to when it was running, but i need help and my buddies are off doing something right now.

but every single vaccum line is blocked, the 3 emissions up front, the 2 on the back of the chassis, the brake booster has no leak, the emissions stuff in the back is all good to go, and the charcoal canister on the intake side vaccuum line is also blocked

it turns, has spark, has fuel. no crank

i will have video of me trying to crank it here in a few minutes...

Are you sure the cold start wire on the dash harness is connected? It will make it a PTIA to start a 240 without that connected...

Fumes in block wouldn't do anything. They'd be gone...

Other than the cold start wire (i think its the orange one), check your maf wires like Zippy said. If its running that most likely means the fuel mixture isn't correct...

[JJ Alfano]

there are two similar clips by the battery that have no where to go, they look exactly the same, i believe green and orange

i will take pics


but heres my car trying to start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaKu1U7htFE

[Zippy69]

Sounds like you may have a number of issues. I know your not stupid so bear with me.
Go back and check timing. Set it by FSM for a newly rebuilt engine. Even with a bad maf it should start. Check and make sure you are getting spark at the plug. Check for fuel.Pull your plugs and check them. When you have a problem like this, you sometimes need to start from square one.
Good luck.

Did you ever pull codes?

[JJ Alfano]

dont have a code reader :(

i checked for spark, pull plug out and it was sparking on crank

i can hear fuel from the fuel pump, plus the plugs smell like gas.

i know its getting ignition from time to time cause it bombs every now and then

its like

queek queek queek queek queek queek BOOM queek queek queek queek queek

im uploading some pictures to show you some of my sensors that are disconnected, its a s14 motor so some stuff might not be there for these to go to.

[napoleon]

You dont have to have a code reader to check codes. Drop your ECU and set it to diagnostic mode, then do some research.

IF I had to guess, you have clogged your IACV up. Pull it off, clean it, add some dielectric grease to the plugs and reinstall.

Or, one or more of your injectors is hanging open.

Call me in the morning.

[JJ Alfano]

here are the sensors i am missing mates to.


Located near battery underneath radiator hose:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/DXGodfather/IMG_1506.jpg


Located by battery next to fender:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/DXGodfather/IMG_1500.jpg

Same spot as above:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/DXGodfather/IMG_1498.jpg

Located on back of s13 motor as part of the wiring harness, connected to same strand as o2 sensor, S14 motor doesnt have these on it
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/DXGodfather/IMG_1501.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/DXGodfather/IMG_1502.jpg

I figured out the problem! My cruise control! (HICAS CC is by master cylinder)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/DXGodfather/IMG_1503.jpg

[napoleon]

IIRC:
The only one that matters is the green one, which is connected to the postitive side of the harness to the battery. The last two are EGR solenoids.The one by the battery LOOKS like a neutral safety switch.

Yes. Under further review the green and orange are the accessory power plugs.

[JJ Alfano]

i have 2 green and orange plugs that look exactly the same, one is already plugged into the battery, you can see it in the first picture. so whats with the clone plugs?

[napoleon]

Part of an old lower harness?