Why so many haters?

[Zippy69]

I've only been on this site a few days, but Ive been on other sites for quite a while, and I was just wondering why there are so many ka haters on here?
Most of the posts I see that mention a ka-t set up has some one jump in to say how the ka is such a huge piece of crap and will never last under boost.
Maybe some folks should do some research outside of this site.
Most of you here are probably aware of nico ,just type 240sx.org, or kat.org.
Check them out and do a little checking on th ka before you bash.
There are plenty of ka's with over 200k miles, on stock internals that have been making 300+ hp on a daily basis for quite awhile, without any problems.
I don't have a problem with the sr, but mod for mod, the ka will make more power than the sr. Especially torque. If you think I'm wrong, then go check. I'll wait.............................................. .............................................
Ok you back?
I researched for many months before I made my decision to turbo my ka.
I was considering the sr and the rb-25, even a chevy v-6 or v-8, but I wanted a turbo so the last two got dropped pretty quick. The sr was an easy swap with good results for about 2k if you do the swap your self, but with a stock output of 203hp, that wasn't enough for me. I have seen dyno sheets on a ka's running t-25's that all made 230hp or better. Don't believe me? Go check. I'll wait.............................................. .........................
Ok now we are done checking, I just have this to say.
It is all about the tune. If you have a bad tune then yes you will screw up your engine. You will run lean and trash your engine no doubt, but this is not due to a bad engine design, it is due to improper air/fuel ratio. The ka is a very strong, reliable engine that will take boost very well if properly tuned. The people who drop in an sr don't have tuning problems because their ecu's are already tuned to their set up.
Both are great engines and are a heap of fun to drive, as our cars are light weight with excellent handling.
I'm sure I made some enemies here, but that was not my intention at all. I will be glad to defend my position anytime in a civil manner, so please post away. This ka vs sr debate will never die.
Peace.:yes:

[shawn shawn]

Any debate pertaining to what your doing to your own car is dumb but it gets our blood flowing so we do it. :goodjob:



Btw. I have blown about 2 ka's this year and 3 in the past 4 years.... Maybe its time to try an sr. ;)

[240sxautox]

I think you jumped the gun just a little bit saying everyone on here hates the KA. This being one of your first posts, it'll probably just be overlooked- but most everyone on here knows that the KA can and will make good power with a proper fuel setup, tune, and turbo setup. It isn't hard to make that motor perform- but there are many reasons to choose other motors over the KA. It's all personal preference, so rather than sounding like a dick and starting a KA vs the world fight I'm just going to leave it at that. It's the same exact thing as a lot of people hating the RB20, it's harder to find parts for etc. etc. but it's all personal preference. Rather than asking why there are so many haters just do what you want and don't be afraid of people saying it's dumb because it makes you happy- and that's what you built it for right? It was built to make you happy, so let it make you happy and be done with it.

[suprabrit]

There are always tons of ka haters anywhere you go...my b/f works with a guy who has an s14 w/ a ka-t he's been running for 2 or 3 years with no problems. It's all based on tuning and fuel delivery.

[Beez_S13]

i think that i have figured it out. the ka isnt jdm tyte, so people do like to hate on it. however since the sr20 belongs in the silvia, many more go for that engine because they want to do the whole jdm thing and get a silvia front end and a whole lot of other stuff. i plan on sticking with the ka because i have look over this since i got my car back in may. but its preference.

[Andy C]

i'm not a ka hater. i would like to have a ka-t, but its not worth the risk of it blowing up. yeah yeah sr20s blow up too i know i know, but if you go to ka-t.org you will see thread on top of thread of "my ka blew up".

Anyway, have fun

[omgwtfbbq]

I'm a Nissan hater. So what do I do in this situation?

[Lone_Wolf]

some of us like high revs

[GriffinW]

people who dont want a challenge go SR :gay:

but pioneers go KA-T.

lets see if that stirs up any arguments.

But seriously this site does have a lot of Ka-t nay sayers but its all in good faith. Im sure they would be willing to troubleshoot a problem with you.

[Andy C]

go buy an old ford. they break down all the time. What a challenge!!!

[shawn shawn]

KA's are cool...


if your broke like me......

or if you want to haul a boat. ;)




but really its a good motor but if you want power its a double edged knife.

[Cameron.]

RB

[spooled]

I know you guys have probably seen this.

It's a stock ka24de, stock injectors, 100shot (dry). So all-together this ka is probably pushing around 250-300hp and a sh*t load of torque. I'm not saying the ka is better than sr or any of that. Both engines can get you tremendous results if done correctly. And, imo, a 100shot of NOS would exert more stresses on the bottom end than a ka-t setup generating 250-300hp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEmlmJXFEos

[Cameron.]

that things built.. end of story..... listen to it... besides the nitrous, if it were stock i wish my ka sounded like that..... and revved that quick...

[Andy C]

I know you guys have probably seen this.

It's a stock ka24de, stock injectors, 100shot (dry). So all-together this ka is probably pushing around 250-300hp and a sh*t load of torque. I'm not saying the ka is better than sr or any of that. Both engines can get you tremendous results if done correctly. And, imo, a 100shot of NOS would exert more stresses on the bottom end than a ka-t setup generating 250-300hp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEmlmJXFEos

that doesn't have anything to do with a reliable ka-t. i bet that motor is rebuilt every 3 runs.

[Cameron.]

werd and now that same motor is turbo charged..


Look at the galleries..

http://www.drag240sx.com/users-m-details-id-115.html

[spooled]

I can bet you that a ka-t at 250-300hp tuned is more reliable than that ka on nos. But, reliability was not the point I was trying to make.

[shawn shawn]

blah blah blah....

[Cash]

what an original thread. so many new and fresh ideas!

[spooled]

that things built.. end of story..... listen to it... besides the nitrous, if it were stock i wish my ka sounded like that..... and revved that quick...

I bet my SR with stock bottom end revs quicker than any stock SR.

[shawn shawn]

http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/images/researchecv_03.jpg

[GriffinW]

go buy an old ford. they break down all the time. What a challenge!!!

actually my parts truck is a 74 ford ranger and it hasnt broken down on me once. :taunt:

[Andy C]

well not that old. thats back when they made sturdy american cars.

edit: go buy an 89 ford.

[Zippy69]

I think you jumped the gun just a little bit saying everyone on here hates the KA. This being one of your first posts, it'll probably just be overlooked- but most everyone on here knows that the KA can and will make good power with a proper fuel setup, tune, and turbo setup. It isn't hard to make that motor perform- but there are many reasons to choose other motors over the KA. It's all personal preference, so rather than sounding like a dick and starting a KA vs the world fight I'm just going to leave it at that. It's the same exact thing as a lot of people hating the RB20, it's harder to find parts for etc. etc. but it's all personal preference. Rather than asking why there are so many haters just do what you want and don't be afraid of people saying it's dumb because it makes you happy- and that's what you built it for right? It was built to make you happy, so let it make you happy and be done with it.
I never said everyone here hates the ka, I just said that there are a lot of ka haters that jump into a thread whenever someone mentions a ka-t.
Most of the time it is unfounded. I would prefer to deal in facts instead of opinions that are based on emotion.
I've noticed that sr folks are extremely negative and biased when it comes to this debate. Why? Did a ka motor beat you up and take your lunch money? Most ka owners are like me, they don't have a hatred for the sr, just a preference for the ka. And as far as "the sr came in the Silvia",
yeah it did. But it didn't come in the 240sx, the ka did. If you want a Silvia, then get one. Import one or move to Japan, or even Canda and you can buy one.
If anyone read my first post in the performance section, I am asking for help with tuning my ka so I don't blow it up. So if any ka-t owners are familiar with tuning, hit me up. I live about an hour north of Atlanta, and I can't find any local folk in my area that are wise in the way of the turbo and how to set it up properly. My car is running, but it is super rich and loads up really fast and fouls the plugs in no time, so I need some serious help. I need to get this fixed so I can spank some sr butt.:lmfao:jk. lol

[YoshiMan]

RB20DEt or RB25DEt is my choice i have had too many friends with ka problems so i just don't trust them

[Andy C]

I dont think most people with sr20s hate ka-ts. can you give me some quotes that show "ka haters?"

[Cash]

balanced performance in sugar hill (about an hour north of atlanta). let them tune your car. they have experience with ka-t.

[spooled]

balanced performance in sugar hill (about an hour north of atlanta). let them tune your car. they have experience with ka-t.

They tuned my first ka-t setup and I was very happy, just a little expensive but definitely worth it.

[Cash]

yep, it's like paying for insurance... and hp.

[Cameron.]

balanced performance in sugar hill (about an hour north of atlanta). let them tune your car. they have experience with ka-t.

you talking where the old sunbelt place used to be? cause we road by there about a week ago and that shop was closed up...

[Zippy69]

I dont think most people with sr20s hate ka-ts. can you give me some quotes that show "ka haters?"
In another thread, you yourself said" 90% of ka-t's blow up.
Where did you did you get your info? This is simply not true.
Any turbo engine will blow without proper tuning, not just ka's.
My whole point is that there is no factual basis to say a ka will not last under boost. However there are plenty of facts to say that it will.
Someone said I jumped the gun, but I think a lot of other people jump the gun when it comes to this debate. Deal with the facts and you'll find the ka is a great motor to boost. It has stock internals that can handle 300+hp. There is a guy on nico that is pushing over 400hp on a stock bottom end, and countless others in the 300-350hp range with all stock engines. The only upgrades are fuel , exhaust, and engine management. And these are all driven daily with no problems. And for more than a week or two.:)

[Cash]

calm down. everybody knows what you're saying. it's been said over and over and over. we just mess around with each other on here. let it go.

[Andy C]

In another thread, you yourself said" 90% of ka-t's blow up.
Where did you did you get your info? This is simply not true.
Any turbo engine will blow without proper tuning, not just ka's.
My whole point is that there is no factual basis to say a ka will not last under boost. However there are plenty of facts to say that it will.
Someone said I jumped the gun, but I think a lot of other people jump the gun when it comes to this debate. Deal with the facts and you'll find the ka is a great motor to boost. It has stock internals that can handle 300+hp. There is a guy on nico that is pushing over 400hp on a stock bottom end, and countless others in the 300-350hp range with all stock engines. The only upgrades are fuel , exhaust, and engine management. And these are all driven daily with no problems. And for more than a week or two.:)

That was an exaggeration. I also said in another thread that i would love to have a nice ka-t setup.

Maybe hate is the wrong word.

[down_shift]

god this thread is ghey.

build your own car and quit worrying about what other people think. you said yourself both engines have pluses and minuses. thats it. thats the end of the argument. period.

[Cameron.]

LOL, i heard there was 10% off bubble shift knobs at autozone..

[Andy C]

Let dorimon know. he may want to stock up.

[Zippy69]

^^^^^^^^^^
Just responding.
I have a dream...... Where ka-t owners and sr owners can walk hand and hand........:goodjob: hee hee
Is there anyone near me(individual) with the ability to tune?

[Cameron.]

i was responding to the fanboi comment lol.. to see how many people would jump on the fake bandwagon lol

[Andy C]

I have a dream...... Where ka-t owners and sr owners can walk hand and hand........:goodjob: hee hee

haha, what as if theres some kind of segregation?

You cant pump gas here, this is a sr20 gas pump only. go down to the ka-t gas fountain!

i will not hold your hand, but i'll be your friend. :cheers:

[Zippy69]

That was an exaggeration. I also said in another thread that i would love to have a nice ka-t setup.

Maybe hate is the wrong word.
I would be glad to help anyone get a nice ka-t set up. I drove mine and it was a blast, even with all the smoke from running so rich.
I guess my problem with this whole debate is the elitist attitude that so many sr owners have. I agree, you build what you want and be happy, but I get tired of hearing the crap, "just ditch that ka and get an sr".


haha, what as if theres some kind of segregation?

You cant pump gas here, this is a sr20 gas pump only. go down to the ka-t gas fountain!

i will not hold your hand, but i'll be your friend. :cheers:
Amen brother.

[hellfire]

I havn't read the whole thread, don't really care. But let me ask you this, since you obviously think that a KA is a superior engine, making more torque, and power with less mods.

Why, in gods name, would they put an inferior engine, the SR20, in Japanese cars. The makers of the cars, obviously would not put the worse motor in. Cmon now.

Tyler

[shawn shawn]

LOL, i heard there was 10% off bubble shift knobs at autozone..

The world would be a better place if we could just walk into autozone and buy bubble shift knobs!

[Zippy69]

I havn't read the whole thread, don't really care. But let me ask you this, since you obviously think that a KA is a superior engine, making more torque, and power with less mods.

Why, in gods name, would they put an inferior engine, the SR20, in Japanese cars. The makers of the cars, obviously would not put the worse motor in. Cmon now.

Tyler
What thread did you read? Facts are facts. Mod for mod, meaning all modifications being the same(turbo, injectors.etc.) the ka24de WILL make more power and torque than the sr20 de.PERIOD I never said less mods. I said the same.There is no replacement for displacement.

[Cash]

turbo isn't a mod on an sr20det. :D

[Casey]

mod for mod the ka makes more power?
yes, the ka (being a larger displacement motor) will make more power from idle to ~5000 rpm than the sr.

however, the ka is a torque motor. its not made to create crazy power on the topend.
show me a ka making 1000hp.
there arent any. because on a small motor, it takes rpm to create that much power. the ka is revable to 7300 rpm. go past that and youre looking at harmonic issues balancing issues ect ect. issues that even the strongest bearings cant handle.
the ka makes bookoos of torque for how small it is. its a good motor for what it does.
but if you want power, and lots of it. go sr or you'll be kicking yourself later down the road. the KA is not a rev happy motor its a 3500 - 5500 rpm powerband.
the sr is amazing past 5000 rpm
different motors. different purposes. want something with torque? put a tow hitch on a ka-t setup and youve got a motor that will be powerful similar to a turbodiesel lol.
and that will bust your tires loose at low rpms.

anyone who does research knows that the sr is capable of much more power.
FULL BUILD vs FULL BUILD
properly sized turbos.
the sr can handle more power
it can also create more power

the sickest ka-t setup ive seen was ivan at around 650 or 750 hp *cant remember*
the sickest sr setup ive seen was 1000 hp. dave *v-empire* posted the chart up.
steady power increase through the rpms from 2k rpm all the way to ~9 or 10k rpm. 1000hp. the sr could probably handle more but expect to rebuild it every month on the track.

[Cameron.]

+1

[Casey]

I would be glad to help anyone get a nice ka-t set up. I drove mine and it was a blast, even with all the smoke from running so rich.
I guess my problem with this whole debate is the elitist attitude that so many sr owners have. I agree, you build what you want and be happy, but I get tired of hearing the crap, "just ditch that ka and get an sr".


Amen brother.

well when people run into crazy issues with it.... yeah. ditch it and get a stock turbo'd motor.

the only complaint i have about a ka-t is that its going to be hard to tune.
lemme rephrase that
it will be hard to tune ANY nonturbo motor to a Turbo.
youre hooking up some piggyback unit. that takes the voltage of whatever maf youre running and MODIFIES the voltage. to trick the ecu into thinking its a stock voltage. then the ecu spits out some number for the injectors. then the piggy back modifriggin fies that too to make the larger injectors spew more or less gas out. so youre walking on a tightrope to get the fuel mixture right.
sure with a great tune a ka-t will be a great setup. honestly id love to have a ka-t project car for fun. but the fact of the matter is that youre tuning an n/a motor to a turbo....

id daily the ka-t setup if it was a reliable well tuned standalone fuel management system. with aggressive and reliable fuel settings to switch back and forth from.

but not a piggyback.
i dont care e-fannyage or saFUc
its still a piggyback.

another alternative is to get the stock ecu reprogrammed for z32 maf and larger injectors. thats a good alternative to ghey tuning systems without going standalone.

yes, im against piggybacks lol.......

the ka is a fun motor. but why would you daily something with any kind of ghetto tune. IMO the e-manage is as close to nonghetto piggy back you can get but its still a piggyback.

like i said nothing against the ka-t it does its purpose and is for differnet applications but you need to have a reliable tune.

[Zippy69]

mod for mod the ka makes more power?
yes, the ka (being a larger displacement motor) will make more power from idle to ~5000 rpm than the sr.

however, the ka is a torque motor. its not made to create crazy power on the topend.
show me a ka making 1000hp.
there arent any. because on a small motor, it takes rpm to create that much power. the ka is revable to 7300 rpm. go past that and youre looking at harmonic issues balancing issues ect ect. issues that even the strongest bearings cant handle.
the ka makes bookoos of torque for how small it is. its a good motor for what it does.
but if you want power, and lots of it. go sr or you'll be kicking yourself later down the road. the KA is not a rev happy motor its a 3500 - 5500 rpm powerband.
the sr is amazing past 5000 rpm
different motors. different purposes. want something with torque? put a tow hitch on a ka-t setup and youve got a motor that will be powerful similar to a turbodiesel lol.
and that will bust your tires loose at low rpms.

anyone who does research knows that the sr is capable of much more power.
FULL BUILD vs FULL BUILD
properly sized turbos.
the sr can handle more power
it can also create more power

the sickest ka-t setup ive seen was ivan at around 650 or 750 hp *cant remember*
the sickest sr setup ive seen was 1000 hp. dave *v-empire* posted the chart up.
steady power increase through the rpms from 2k rpm all the way to ~9 or 10k rpm. 1000hp. the sr could probably handle more but expect to rebuild it every month on the track.
Look, lets be realistic. Are you pushing 1000hp in your sr? I doubt it.
The whole debate is about the ka being hated on for being a weak engine that shouldn't be bothered with. In this entire thread I have never said anything bad about the sr.
I said from the beginning that both were good engines. I'm talking about your average 240 owner wanting more performance from his engine.
What is the cost involved to reach, say 350hp on both engines? What is the cost of repair when something breaks? How available are parts? If you were to have a catastrophic failure, then where do you get a replacement engine, and how much? If I had tons of money to spend, then I would opt for an rb26tt with every mod that could be done to it and have a true fire breathing monster. But alas, I'm a poor soul who only has a weak ass ka to make a few paltry mods to in order to get a measly extra 200 hp.
In no way, shape or form am I going to sink the kind of money into my engine to get 800+hp. I'm merely saying that you can take a ka and boost it and have a strong, reliable daily driver that will last and kick the shit out of most cars on the road.
I say we have an event at Atlanta Dragway, KA vs Sr to settle the debate.
Run the cars and let the time slips decide the winner. Personally I really don't care. I know that my ka is a good engine and if I tune it properly, then it shouldn't give me a problem boosted.

[Cameron.]

so why cant you just accept the fact that no one elses oppinion matters and just do your own thing, cause your last statement has been repeated through here with multiple people like 4 times...


I vote close this useless thread..


/End thread.... >:l

[Cash]

CRIPPLE FIGHT!!


stop arguing this. your point is very round.

[Zippy69]

so why cant you just accept the fact that no one elses oppinion matters and just do your own thing, cause your last statement has been repeated through here with multiple people like 4 times...


I vote close this useless thread..


/End thread.... >:l
I don't want to debate ka vs sr. I want to debate the fact that people bash on the ka-t with out knowing wtf they are talking about. These are the same folks who all they want is JDM tytness. You will never, I repeat never have a Sivia. You can perform every single Silvia conversion including rhd, and it will still be a 240sx.
Whoa! My meds are finally kicking in, so I can stop rambling.
I will always do my own thing. It's just that my car was reading over my shoulder and it's feelings got really hurt. Now it has a huge case of engine envy and it is going to take a while to get it calmed down.

[Cameron.]

ok, but now it seems like american engines are superior.. its ok.. but KA's are good engines yes, thats why you see 200k+ ones out here still running.. but its like this


The Atheletic Kid (SR20) was born to get out here and be good out of the "hole" (hehe) at sports..

But now the Fat Kid (KA24) wants to be like the Athletic kid, and get more power, but he has to adapt, and build up to be what the athletic kid is now.. Yes he can surpass him, but fact of the matter was, being powerful and fast just werent in his cards from the beginning but now they are, so he has adapted..

:)

[Wes]

What thread did you read? Facts are facts. Mod for mod, meaning all modifications being the same(turbo, injectors.etc.) the ka24de WILL make more power and torque than the sr20 de.PERIOD I never said less mods. I said the same.There is no replacement for displacement.

Wait, are you comparing a KA and a SR20DE in this?

Mod for mod, I can make a NA SR outrun a KA, and I'll bet money to that statement.
I've had both. Wether the KA it makes more power or torque, the NA SR is going to blow its shit away with the same modifications. Not to mention, I can rev the SR to 7grand and make power, where the KA will rev to 7k and feel like its going to explode.

And if I'm going to build a turbo car. I'm going to start with a motor that came turbo from the factory, not a truck motor. Maybe I've had bad luck with KA's, but, It would be a cold day in hell before I say a KA is more reliable than an SR.


This thread is worthless.
People like different things

[Andy C]

These are the same folks who all they want is JDM tytness. You will never, I repeat never have a Sivia. You can perform every single Silvia conversion including rhd, and it will still be a 240sx.


I dont have a sr because i want to have a silvia. i have an sr because i want to go fast and the sr is a good place to start.

[Zippy69]

ok, but now it seems like american engines are superior.. its ok.. but KA's are good engines yes, thats why you see 200k+ ones out here still running.. but its like this


The Atheletic Kid (SR20) was born to get out here and be good out of the "hole" (hehe) at sports..

But now the Fat Kid (KA24) wants to be like the Athletic kid, and get more power, but he has to adapt, and build up to be what the athletic kid is now.. Yes he can surpass him, but fact of the matter was, being powerful and fast just werent in his cards from the beginning but now they are, so he has adapted..

:)
Kinda made my brain hurt with that analogy, but I get your point.
My thing is, if I were to swap an engine in my car, it would definitely be an RB-25 instead of an sr. I mean with all the money you are sinking in it, why not go ahead and get more hp and torque right off the bat with a lot more potential?
oh, and stop calling me fat. I'm big boned.;)
I just need help with mine so I can get to driving it.

[Cameron.]

yea thats the reason i went with rb25 check my build thread, in member journals might have to view withen last week threads

[Zippy69]

[quote=godisintheradio;115282]Wait, are you comparing a KA and a SR20DE in this?

Mod for mod, I can make a NA SR outrun a KA, and I'll bet money to that statement.
I've had both. Wether the KA it makes more power or torque, the NA SR is going to blow its shit away with the same modifications. Not to mention, I can rev the SR to 7grand and make power, where the KA will rev to 7k and feel like its going to explode.

And if I'm going to build a turbo car. I'm going to start with a motor that came turbo from the factory, not a truck motor. Maybe I've had bad luck with KA's, but, It would be a cold day in hell before I say a KA is more reliable than an SR.]




Whoa! Easy there Rhubarb. In no post did I ever say that the ka was more reliable than th sr. Where the hell did you read that?
The only point I have tried to make is that the ka is a good, reliable engine that if tuned properly will make a good amount of hp safely and reliably.
And I guess the Altima was a truck? So a Chevy 350 is also a truck motor because it was in a truck too? Gtfo with that lame truck motor shit.:toung:

[shawn shawn]

At the end of the day...






who cares. Its just a car that im going to drift into a wall one day. :cheers:

[Wes]

Whoa! Easy there Rhubarb. In no post did I ever say that the ka was more reliable than th sr. Where the hell did you read that?
The only point I have tried to make is that the ka is a good, reliable engine that if tuned properly will make a good amount of hp safely and reliably.
And I guess the Altima was a truck? So a Chevy 350 is also a truck motor because it was in a truck too? Gtfo with that lame truck motor shit.:toung:


Learn how to use the quote button.

This whole thread is about how reliable you can make a KA. I'm saying that a KA, in a car, is not the most reliable engine.
How many high mileage 240's do you see running original engines?
My point is that an SR will still always be more reliable, and make more power, when it comes to the same money invested in either. Period.
And no matter how much you tune your KA, an SR making the same amount of power will always be more reliable, especially on boost.

And comparing a 350 Chevy motor to a KA is ridiculous.
Look back on how many damned versions of the 350 engine there are, with different heads/pistons/compression/cams from the factory.

What was so different about KA's from the factory? A few had different cam setups, and that was it.

[Zippy69]

Me no drift.
Me drag:goodjob:


Learn how to use the quote button.

This whole thread is about how reliable you can make a KA. I'm saying that a KA, in a car, is not the most reliable engine.
How many high mileage 240's do you see running original engines?
My point is that an SR will still always be more reliable, and make more power, when it comes to the same money invested in either. Period.
And no matter how much you tune your KA, an SR making the same amount of power will always be more reliable, especially on boost.

And comparing a 350 Chevy motor to a KA is ridiculous.
Look back on how many damned versions of the 350 engine there are, with different heads/pistons/compression/cams from the factory.

What was so different about KA's from the factory? A few had different cam setups, and that was it.
Sorry,accidentally deleted part of the end quote.
The whole point of this thread was not how reliable you can make the ka. Go back and read my posts.
And I see a ton of 240s running original engines
The whole point (I'll say it really slow) is that the ka is a solid motor that has gotten a bad rep from dumbasses who slap some parts on it all willy-nilly and expect it to last. No engine will do that.
As I said, it is all about the tune.:yes:

[Cash]

i'm going to start posting pictures of the most disgusting stuff i can find on the internet if this thread doesn't stop.

[Andy C]

You keep coming back cash. i think you are secretly enjoying this.

[Zippy69]

i'm going to start posting pictures of the most disgusting stuff i can find on the internet if this thread doesn't stop.
Bring it. :taunt:

[wantboost]

240's suck buy a civic........

[Andy C]

or a geo metro.

geo+huge wing and fart can= hot!

[Zippy69]

240's suck buy a civic........
Whaaaaa?
I should kick you right in the dingdong!

[Cameron.]

hes jk.

[S14Tech]

KA all the way! Dont call my engine fat. But yes, it is a truck motor. Bore stroke says it all :D



END OF THREAD

[Zippy69]

hes jk.
I know
I joke, I kid.
:cheers:
Seriously, anyone help me tune a Apexi V safc?
Me big dummy when it comes to tuning. I have a tuned ecu, but it has a problem and I want to drive.

Hey zenki, where you located?

[Cameron.]

SAFC's can DIAF.. ive heard too many bad things about them... i dont even have one, lol, but after the engines in im going Power FC..

I live in Buford

[Zippy69]

I live in Nicholson. Exit 137 on 85. I've heard good and bad when it comes to afc's, but I really don't have a lot of choices right now. I have to get this thing running now. If Jason at E-mance can make my ecu good, then that is the way I would rather go, but like I said, I need this finished pronto.

[white_s14]

i was going to turbo my ka then gas went way up i was like nope not happening anytime soon..

[Zippy69]

i was going to turbo my ka then gas went way up i was like nope not happening anytime soon..
As long as you stay out of boost, you won't burn more fuel. But who could resist that sweet rush of turbo goodness!:bump:

[spooled]

sweet rush....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mQBJUtfQaE

[Zippy69]

sweet rush....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mQBJUtfQaE
I think I had an eargasm. Me like.:goodjob:

[Casey]

Look, lets be realistic. 1)Are you pushing 1000hp in your sr? I doubt it.
The whole debate is about the ka being hated on for being a weak engine that shouldn't be bothered with. In this entire thread I have never said anything bad about the sr.
I said from the beginning that both were good engines. I'm talking about your average 240 owner wanting more performance from his engine.
2)What is the cost involved to reach, say 350hp on both engines? 3)What is the cost of repair when something breaks? How available are parts? 4)If you were to have a catastrophic failure, then where do you get a replacement engine, and how much? If I had tons of money to spend, then I would opt for an rb26tt with every mod that could be done to it and have a true fire breathing monster. But alas, I'm a poor soul who only has a weak ass ka to make a few paltry mods to in order to get a measly extra 200 hp.
In no way, shape or form am I going to sink the kind of money into my engine to get 800+hp. I'm merely saying that you can take a ka and boost it and have a strong, reliable daily driver that will last and kick the shit out of most cars on the road.
5)I say we have an event at Atlanta Dragway, KA vs Sr to settle the debate.
Run the cars and let the time slips decide the winner. Personally I really don't care. I know that my ka is a good engine and if I tune it properly, then it shouldn't give me a problem boosted.

1 - no, i dont have an sr.
2 - 350hp on a ka24de-t :
garrett gt3071r - 20
~18lbs boost @ ~32.5lbs/min = ~320hp at 78% efficiant. PERFECT turbo for ka24de. with a 400hp goal. 350 easilly.
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/GT30/GT3071R.htm
see now if you slap a gt28 on there you can boost that high^ but youre not gonna be in its efficancy range.
the 28 is made for higher boost levels @ lower airflow. so a smaller displacement motor is ideal for this. turbo. (aka why everyone runs them on sr20's)
so turbo = ~900 bucks
manifold = 150
downpipe = 100
injectors
mafs

to build the sr20 that strong youre gonna need a gt2876r or perhaps a 71. its kinda inbetween.
thats also around 900 bucks if you shoparound.
youre gonna wanna ditch the log manifold = 150
stock dp
need bigger injectors
new mafs

so around the same price
im asuming you have i/c piping, bov, exhaust, say... greddy e-manage on both and the other required boltons. wideband for tuning gauges ect ect bla bla it comes out even.
untill you blow your motor at 350hp on a ka-t
the sr20det is known to be strong to 450hp with stock rods, pistons, mainstuds, rod studs.
easy bolt ons for sr20 would be better head gasket + arp head studs.

the ka is known to hold around 300 - 350 after a rebuild reliably. this is with an excelent tune and no lean mishaps or knock.
honestly youre playing with fire passing 300 hp on OEM stock bottom end.
race bearings and a rebuild would make it hold a little more but the rods and rod bolts are what likes to break free on the ka.
if you want 350hp youd be stupid doing it with the ka without a rebuild.
the sr is very reliable well past 350 on an excelent tune.

any motor
shizzy tune
= kaboom
WOAH THAT RHYMES :P


3) repair... ka motorset = 3 bills
sr longblock = 10 bills
yes big difference in price. but youre paying for a motor good to your powergoal. not just another 160k mile ka24 from an s13 that might have a handfull of metal shavings in the oil pan as it is.

4) catostrofhfifc failure = you screwed up somewhere.
you bought a lemon motor.
you fail
kaboom lol.
build a motor?
rebuild it atleast i mean damn.... 350hp = needs bearings atleast.
even on an sr.

5)lolzlzerr drag at ams ....
i got 50 bucks on the sr that dynos the exact same power as the ka. same driver, same chassis.
its got a longer powerband. and it will pull from 3k rpm to 7k rpm
rather than the ka pulling from 2500 rpm to 5000 rpm.... big freak difference.






I don't want to debate ka vs sr. I want to debate the fact that people bash on the ka-t with out knowing wtf they are talking about. These are the same folks who all they want is JDM tytness. You will never, I repeat never have a Sivia. You can perform every single Silvia conversion including rhd, and it will still be a 240sx.
Whoa! My meds are finally kicking in, so I can stop rambling.
I will always do my own thing. It's just that my car was reading over my shoulder and it's feelings got really hurt. Now it has a huge case of engine envy and it is going to take a while to get it calmed down.

ive fully researched both. cant say that i have done either. but i know the numbers of each one, advantages, and disadvantages, i know that its not smart to roll a ka-t around town over 250hp without a rebuild. hell its not smart to roll an n/a ka around without a friggin rebuild. buggers throw rods like hotcakes. rebuild it. good to go for 300hp reliably with an excelent tune.




Wait, are you comparing a KA and a SR20DE in this?

Mod for mod, I can make a NA SR outrun a KA, and I'll bet money to that statement.
I've had both. Wether the KA it makes more power or torque, the NA SR is going to blow its shit away with the same modifications. Not to mention, I can rev the SR to 7grand and make power, where the KA will rev to 7k and feel like its going to explode.

And if I'm going to build a turbo car. I'm going to start with a motor that came turbo from the factory, not a truck motor. Maybe I've had bad luck with KA's, but, It would be a cold day in hell before I say a KA is more reliable than an SR.

werd +7


Whoa! Easy there Rhubarb. In no post did I ever say that the ka was more reliable than th sr. Where the hell did you read that?
The only point I have tried to make is that the ka is a good, reliable engine that if tuned properly will make a good amount of hp safely and reliably.
And I guess the Altima was a truck? So a Chevy 350 is also a truck motor because it was in a truck too? Gtfo with that lame truck motor shit.:toung:

350ftl nuf said
5.7 liters? ~150-250 hp stock? maybe 300 torque if youre lucky? wtf .... lol


Me no drift.
Me drag:goodjob:


Sorry,accidentally deleted part of the end quote.
The whole point of this thread was not how reliable you can make the ka. Go back and read my posts.
And I see a ton of 240s running original engines
The whole point (I'll say it really slow) is that the ka is a solid motor that has gotten a bad rep from dumbasses who slap some parts on it all willy-nilly and expect it to last. No engine will do that.
As I said, it is all about the tune.:yes:

in summary

stock n/a ka = suck
stock turbo ka = kaboom
rebuild turbo ka @ 300 w/ amazing tune = moderatly dailable

stock t25 sr = ok
stock gt2876r sr @ 350hp w/ amazing tune = semi-reliable
rebuild gt2876r sr @ 350hp w/ amazing tune = moderatly dailable.

btw the more power you make your motor make the less re-freak-liable it will be


btw i think you started this thread to start something :P
no worries its fun =D
:P :P hehe

*wipes swat off head* ouchy i burned like 30 min writing that lol..... all for 1 post count LAME FTL

[Zippy69]

To viperbite:
Damn you was busy homie!!! lol
But I still have to disagree on some points.
First, like I stated earlier, there are many 200k+ mile ka's making 350 hp. Check with the guys on nico.
Second I didn't start this thread to start a war, I just want people to do their home work before they make a statement like "ka's are crappy".
It's like saying " Honda's are the worst cars to own." It is not true and is only based on the fact that I don't like Honda's. ( I like the S-2000).
There is a guy on nico with a built ka and he runs 35psi.Now granted he did blow a head gasket last weekend, but he knew he probably would because he had a fel-pro perma-torque in and it popped at 32.
I chose a t-25 turbo because it is small and as long as my tune is good, then I can make around 250hp and be fine . Then this summer will see a rebuild and a bigger turbo.
But it's all good. No hatin' on my side.:cheers:

[Casey]

To viperbite:
Damn you was busy homie!!! lol
But I still have to disagree on some points.
First, like I stated earlier, there are many 200k+ mile ka's making 350 hp. Check with the guys on nico.
Second I didn't start this thread to start a war, I just want people to do their home work before they make a statement like "ka's are crappy".
It's like saying " Honda's are the worst cars to own." It is not true and is only based on the fact that I don't like Honda's. ( I like the S-2000).
There is a guy on nico with a built ka and he runs 35psi.Now granted he did blow a head gasket last weekend, but he knew he probably would because he had a fel-pro perma-torque in and it popped at 32.
I chose a t-25 turbo because it is small and as long as my tune is good, then I can make around 250hp and be fine . Then this summer will see a rebuild and a bigger turbo.
But it's all good. No hatin' on my side.:cheers:

yeah there are some. 200k ka's with power
but its not smart and they will get rod knock.
and lets hope thier exhasut is quiet enough to hear it before the rod goes through the wall.

the gt2560r is going to run way the hell out of efficiancy.

snagged this off freshalloy.com

gt2560r dynochart.
good power honestly....
lets put the numbers on the turbo efficiancy chart.
see where the lines start to breakup on the dyno around 3500rpm? thats probably at 12lbs of boost and when the wastegate opened up. so you can take a good guess at what psi it was running before hand. the ka makes boost nearly instantly on that small turbo so its probably at 5lbs around 2500 rpm and 10 around 3000 rpm.

10pounds of air per minute = ~100hp
so you chart this on the graph and see the efficiancy of the turbo.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/viperbite/GT2560R-KA-T.gif

its running in the 70 and 68 percentage area.
and crosses over the efficiant center section when it reaches around 200hp at 10 - 12 pounds.

way too small
if you want low power go with something else lol... gt2860rs even... and turn the boost down a tad. its a way better turbo



http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/AceInHole/T25_dyno.jpg

[Cameron.]

casey youve been on a role, REPS for you! :)

[Zippy69]

Too late, gotta stay with the t-25, as it is already paid for and on the car.
I like the fact of no lag, especially in a street car. It's hard to rev past 5k on the street anyway and usually not legal due to the high rate of speed you will be traveling.
Thus is my first set up so I wanted to go small to get a feel for turbos and the in's and out's of working on a turbo car.
I have no aspirations of being the next "Drift King" or the time attack champion. I want a fun fast street car that can spank the cars in my area.
It's still camaro's and mustang's around here, so I won't need much.:lmfao:

[Cameron.]

if i could lol.. when i can i will.. and didnt you only have like 3 green blocks a couple hours ago lol?

Zippy: dont you mean mustanks? hehe

[Casey]

Too late, gotta stay with the t-25, as it is already paid for and on the car.
I like the fact of no lag, especially in a street car. It's hard to rev past 5k on the street anyway and usually not legal due to the high rate of speed you will be traveling.
Thus is my first set up so I wanted to go small to get a feel for turbos and the in's and out's of working on a turbo car.
I have no aspirations of being the next "Drift King" or the time attack champion. I want a fun fast street car that can spank the cars in my area.
It's still camaro's and mustang's around here, so I won't need much.:lmfao:


hmm...
honestly if the wastegate would peek open and gradually increase boost from 2psi to 10psi durring the period of 2k rpm to 3.5k rpm then the turbo would be efficiant but you will loose lowend power.
thats why the ka is a sucky candiate for a small turbo.
long stroke motor and torquey cams = low rpm power. = large turbo. efficiant in low rpms but not so much in high rpms
then a small turbo is efficiant in high rpms and not in low rpms....

soo.... gt30 is a tradeoff...
thats why torque monster turbo diesels have HUGEEE turbos and only rev to what... 3.5k rpm?

[Cameron.]

I <3 this Thread....

[Zippy69]

hmm...
honestly if the wastegate would peek open and gradually increase boost from 2psi to 10psi durring the period of 2k rpm to 3.5k rpm then the turbo would be efficiant but you will loose lowend power.
thats why the ka is a sucky candiate for a small turbo.
long stroke motor and torquey cams = low rpm power. = large turbo. efficiant in low rpms but not so much in high rpms
then a small turbo is efficiant in high rpms and not in low rpms....

soo.... gt30 is a tradeoff...
thats why torque monster turbo diesels have HUGEEE turbos and only rev to what... 3.5k rpm?
I agree 100% with you here. I wish I had bought a bigger turbo, but live and learn. But I did take it for a test drive the other day and it was a blast to drive, pulling really hard, so I'm pleased with it as far as performance is concerned. Now if I could get the ecu to tell the injectors to sit down and shut up, then I would be truly happy.

[Casey]

I agree 100% with you here. I wish I had bought a bigger turbo, but live and learn. But I did take it for a test drive the other day and it was a blast to drive, pulling really hard, so I'm pleased with it as far as performance is concerned. Now if I could get the ecu to tell the injectors to sit down and shut up, then I would be truly happy.

lol well i never mensioned that theres one of two turbos i would go with if ie ver turboed my ka

garrett gt2860rs (discopotato) because its a good middlepoint in power efficiancy. i wouldnt do this because its so expensive.

so, if i do ever turbo my ka
im getting a gt2560r for like 200 bucks off some upgraded sr junkie :P

and ill run like 7 - 10 pounds
with a size larger than sr20 injectors.
and a z32 maf or something like that.
cheap AFC.
and some brian crower "stage2" street cams.... when / if they become available lol.
the cams will make the turbo run a little more efficiant by putting the torque curve down till higher rpm. a sacrifice but worthy when youve got the gt2560r on there... + you get more hp at high rpms. :)
wait till it throws a rod and swap blocks.
but this would be a toy cheap build.
if i wanted a powerful project id go sr20det T3 Garrett gt3076r
tial wastegate
probably a standalone. pay to get it tuned somewhere.
good 2.5" hot pipes to a decent intercooler. 3" cold pipes from ic to tb. two bovs. one after i/c and one before. about 2 feet of pipe away from intercooler.
id look into water injection and have it spray directly proportional to fuel. tune dwith the standalone.
head gasket arp studs all around race bearings & stock pistons and rods.
heavier valve springs and retainers.
those rocker stoper things
solid lifters
stock valves
and some fairly large cams.
this outta be like 9k rpm easy on the sr.
touch that with a ka :P

[Zippy69]

lol well i never mensioned that theres one of two turbos i would go with if ie ver turboed my ka

garrett gt2860rs (discopotato) because its a good middlepoint in power efficiancy. i wouldnt do this because its so expensive.

so, if i do ever turbo my ka
im getting a gt2560r for like 200 bucks off some upgraded sr junkie :P

and ill run like 7 - 10 pounds
with a size larger than sr20 injectors.
and a z32 maf or something like that.
cheap AFC.
and some brian crower "stage2" street cams.... when / if they become available lol.
the cams will make the turbo run a little more efficiant by putting the torque curve down till higher rpm. a sacrifice but worthy when youve got the gt2560r on there... + you get more hp at high rpms. :)
wait till it throws a rod and swap blocks.
but this would be a toy cheap build.
if i wanted a powerful project id go sr20det T3 Garrett gt3076r
tial wastegate
probably a standalone. pay to get it tuned somewhere.
good 2.5" hot pipes to a decent intercooler. 3" cold pipes from ic to tb. two bovs. one after i/c and one before. about 2 feet of pipe away from intercooler.
id look into water injection and have it spray directly proportional to fuel. tune dwith the standalone.
head gasket arp studs all around race bearings & stock pistons and rods.
heavier valve springs and retainers.
those rocker stoper things
solid lifters
stock valves
and some fairly large cams.
this outta be like 9k rpm easy on the sr.
touch that with a ka :P
Cool beans my man. I definitely want to hook up with you when it comes time for an upgrade. Like I said, I'm a turbo dummy, so can you explain what .87 ar is? That is stamped on the hot side of my turbo.
By the way I see you are a long poster like myself. Gotta respect a man with a long post. No short two word posts for us. We bring it, and we bring it loooooong! That's right we know how to work that post!:lmfao:

[Cameron.]

ill save him the trouble.... give me a minute ill be right back.. gotta go dig something up in the archives

[Zippy69]

I'll wait......( cue Jeopardy theme)

[Cameron.]

here you go..

http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/poweradders/628-turbo-size-r-trim.html

[Zippy69]

Excellent!!! Thank you so much.
Now what the hell does that mean to me?
Turbo dummy... remember.:wave:

[Cameron.]

just basically means with a higher A/R (Area of the exhaust inlet/radius of the exhaust outlet) your turbo wont be good for power until a higher rpm..

but with a lower A/R it will be good for power from a lower rpm to a higher rpm, but only to say your redline.. but on a larger displacement engine, that can enter boost quicker a higher A/R would particularly be better...


like it was stated:


Inaccurate guesses on rpm range by the way... but pretty accurate...


.48 A/R housing- 3000-7000 (what you Ka would need)

.63 A/R housing- 4000-8000 (maybe what my RB would need)

.82 A/R housing- 5000-9000 (what a lag master supra would usually have ;) )

oh and that dont necessarily mean that with a higher A/R on a higher displacement engine, that it will lag because with the higher displacement, it also has more exhaust volume to compensate for the larger A/R

[Casey]

/R Explanation
A/R is the rated volumetric efficiency of a turbos 2 sections, so to speak. Imagine if you have a garden hose spraying water out at a pinwheel
with the hose open ended, the pinwheel spins okay. Put a nozzle on it an the pinwheel will spin like mad.

There are issues with the nozzle on the end, you lose volume but gain pressure. With the nozzle off you gain volume, but lose pressure and you can't turn the pinwheel as much.

Simply put, on small displacement engines a smaller A/R is better, on large displacement engine a larger A/R is better due to exhaust volume.

A larger A/R will spool later and provide a higher power band, if your engine is capable of reaching the RPMS it should be used in.

You can't cross compare different types of housings and wheels, but if you have a typical T3/TO4E 57 trim with a stage 3 exhaust wheel and a .48 A/R housing, it might have a powerband of 3000-7000, with the .63 it might be 4000-8000, and with a .82 A/R housing it might be 5000-9000. If you have headwork and cams that stop pulling at 8000 RPM's, it's smart to run the .63 A/R housing. If you have a fully ported head and huge cams that will make power till 9000, the .82 A/R housing would be a better choice.



perfect frigging explanation
simple and it gets you started by looking at different turbos :)

[Andy C]

did I see you on hwy 92 by target in woodstock today zenkicam? It looked like the car in ur sig.

sorry to be off topic

[Casey]

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/tech_center/turbo_tech101.html


read that


and this http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm

and thsi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharger

[Cameron.]

for your motor it has been discussed many times that the T3/T4 is a perfect turbo for a KA-T, even though its WW2 technology :P


did I see you on hwy 92 by target in woodstock today zenkicam? It looked like the car in ur sig.

sorry to be off topic


nah man wasnt me, i rarley get over in that area..

oh and dont worry about being off topic, this thread, was just utter nonsense until now lol

[Zippy69]

But this was on a t3/t4 turbo. Would this be the same for a t-25?
Is my turbo wrong for my car? I thought that viperbites post said that a larger ar would be better? Am I not going to make any decent power. Will I be forced to ride behind v6 accords? will some soccer mom in a tahoe spank me?
God I hope so on that last one!!! :bump:

[Andy C]

nah man wasnt me, i rarley get over in that area..

oh and dont worry about being off topic, this thread, was just utter nonsense until now lol
haha oook just checking

[Wes]

How in the hell can you come in here, talk about how great a KA on boost is, or how reliable it can be with a good tune, and not even know a thing about turbos or tuning?

[Zippy69]

How in the hell can you come in here, talk about how great a KA on boost is, or how reliable it can be with a good tune, and not even know a thing about turbos or tuning?
Cause I can! I never said I was a turbo expert. I never acted like a high and mighty shit head either. I just relayed info that I had learned from searching different sites and getting real facts instead taking what my brother Jimbob's best friends cousin's Uncle's next door neighbor's dog's previous owner who knew a fella that had one of them ding danged ol' ka motors and he slapped him a turbo he boughted offin' the eeeebay, and it done did blowed the hell up. So that means the ka is a big ol'turd.
Get it?:)

[Cameron.]

But this was on a t3/t4 turbo. Would this be the same for a t-25?
Is my turbo wrong for my car? I thought that viperbites post said that a larger ar would be better? Am I not going to make any decent power. Will I be forced to ride behind v6 accords? will some soccer mom in a tahoe spank me?
God I hope so on that last one!!! :bump:


a larger ar would only be better if you had the patience to wait for the time taken for the exhaust gas driving the turbine to come to high pressure and for the turbine rotor to overcome its rotational enertia and reach the speed necessary to supply boost pressure.


but on a higher displacement engine this wouldnt be a problem, because like i stated above...

larger displacement motors also have more exhaust volume to compensate for the larger A/R therefore, it doesnt require as much for the exhaust spinning the turbine to over come its rotational enertia and reach a quick enough speed to spin the compressor and start sending air back to the cylinders, because typically what people mean by higher disp. is also having more cylinders.. and wouldnt you think that a engine with say 6 cylinders would have more exhaust volume to spin a turbo with a higher AR than a car with 4 cylinders trying to do the same thing..


Thats as clear as i can put it to you..

i think i need reps for putting that much effort into that... phew... :o

[Zippy69]

Dayyyyyuuuuuum!
10 pages of utter silliness.
Whooooooooooo Hoooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
I just don't like the hatin'

[Cameron.]

did you just read a thing i just said?!?!?! or are we off that topic now???



gaawrrrahrarararhrhr :mad::twisted:


lol jk.. but seriously...


READ IT AND UNDERSTAND IT!!!!! or else..... :ninja:

[Casey]

a larger ar would only be better if you had the patience to wait for the time taken for the exhaust gas driving the turbine to come to high pressure and for the turbine rotor to overcome its rotational enertia and reach the speed necessary to supply boost pressure.


but on a higher displacement engine this wouldnt be a problem, because like i stated above...

larger displacement motors also have more exhaust volume to compensate for the larger A/R therefore, it doesnt require as much for the exhaust spinning the turbine to over come its rotational enertia and reach a quick enough speed to spin the compressor and start sending air back to the cylinders, because typically what people mean by higher disp. is also having more cylinders.. and wouldnt you think that a engine with say 6 cylinders would have more exhaust volume to spin a turbo with a higher AR than a car with 4 cylinders trying to do the same thing..


Thats as clear as i can put it to you..

i think i need reps for putting that much effort into that... phew... :o

BOLD :

Generally true
but with a motor that creates alot of torque like the ka
you want a larger a/r to keep boost levels in the efficiancy range through the powerband.
youre going to get good increasing power. with a moderate loss of power through the lower rpms. but once you get higher up your torque and hp curves will be more aimed at higher rpms. biger cams and wider a/r ratio for a torquey motor + longer stroke
get more aggressive cams to move the powerband up. and you will be running in / just above the efficancy of the t25.. just dont boost it past 12 pounds because it likes to break up there.
so your powerband will still breakoff around 4-5k rpm but you get a longer smoother powerband.

[Zippy69]

I did read it and I do understand the concept. And I thank you for you patience and understanding.
I just happened to notice how many pages of pure idiot-ness had been reached and just had to shout about it.
What's really funny, is that I posted a genuine help question, and I got about 5 replies. I post about ka's being a good engine and look out!
I expected this to be quite different. I expected more help than bashing, but I was wrong. Even in this thread, several times I stated that I had a super rich problem going on and still only bashing.
I am still looking for someone local who is willing to help me tune my car. I am willing to pay some body for their time or trade out some work, like welding, or helping someone with body work and paint or lots of other things I can do.
Tuning and turbos are not my forte', and I have no shame in that.
I will get my car tuned either with help or without. I was just hoping to learn about tuning without having to blow my engine up.

[Z-Bryan]

Ok Im a KA fan
not an SR hater but its not my cup of tea

Im sorry but i will admitt money to money....mod to mod an SR will be more reliable and out run a KA-t in the long run. Like casey said the high end powerband on the SR is good.

KA-t's can be good with the right tuning. Any motor can be good with the right tuning.

This is such an old debate. Its so boring
Some like KA's some like SR's

sure some people give a bad rep to KA's and some dog them on this site is
But you starting a thread about how KA is better then SR mod for mod is just as childish

As tyler has said before, why would they make all the silvias SR's if the KA could have been turboed from the factory with more power?
Im sure they did some research and some test before they choose a motor.

And they didnt just at the last second say toss the KA in the 240 who cares its america
we got it because of emissions and a turbo 2 door possible taking away sales from the Z

Basically the bottom line is this

Do what you want, its your car afterall. Make a bad KA-t and show us all. Make a bad SR and show us all. I just think we should all agree...No 240 should be driven NA ;)

Or go CA :D

[Cameron.]

werd... you are right, i just forgot we were talking about the KA here with all this hype on what turbo lol.. yea, listen to what i say in conjunction with what viperbite has to say, and weel getcha set right.


I did read it and I do understand the concept. And I thank you for you patience and understanding.
I just happened to notice how many pages of pure idiot-ness had been reached and just had to shout about it.
What's really funny, is that I posted a genuine help question, and I got about 5 replies. I post about ka's being a good engine and look out!
I expected this to be quite different. I expected more help than bashing, but I was wrong. Even in this thread, several times I stated that I had a super rich problem going on and still only bashing.
I am still looking for someone local who is willing to help me tune my car. I am willing to pay some body for their time or trade out some work, like welding, or helping someone with body work and paint or lots of other things I can do.
Tuning and turbos are not my forte', and I have no shame in that.
I will get my car tuned either with help or without. I was just hoping to learn about tuning without having to blow my engine up.

check your other thread ;)

[Koukidrftr]

i read the first 2 sentences of this post and all i can say is i have a ka friend that will own everyone on here's ass with out a challenge. STOCk INTERNALS. He has had this set up longer than youve owned your 240! yup yup im waitin for the comments!

[Casey]

u should try vq35de-t + gt4202r
900hp @ 4.5bar ... aka 3.5 bar boost = 3.5x14.7 = ~51psi boost

would also work on vg30 or 2jz-gte or rb26 - t

or gt4508 if you want morez airflows ... this would wrok better on vg35de-t

[Cameron.]

oh god... i was about to go off... but then i read the sarcasm at the end.. :lol:

[I RON DON KEY]

i read the first 2 sentences of this post and all i can say is i have a ka friend that will own everyone on here's ass with out a challenge. STOCk INTERNALS. He has had this set up longer than youve owned your 240! yup yup im waitin for the comments!

you sure? some people here have some mean ass cars that will r0ck you socks off. puhahhaha

[Casey]

wheres that guy with the 2jz
whats his name
well decker of coures but hes waiting on a tune or something

nurturder or something ?
yeah him
hes got like 700hp
wanna race him>?

[babowc]

moved to proper section.
please dont turn this into a debate, its been discussed over and over.
not something we need to have any more threads about.

[Zippy69]

i read the first 2 sentences of this post and all i can say is i have a ka friend that will own everyone on here's ass with out a challenge. STOCk INTERNALS. He has had this set up longer than youve owned your 240! yup yup im waitin for the comments!
What is his set up? What kind of management is he running?
Can he help me with mine? Hit me back.

[Leeelan]

DRIVE AN SR AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND!!!!

[Zippy69]

moved to proper section.
please dont turn this into a debate, its been discussed over and over.
not something we need to have any more threads about.
I didn't start this thread to start a which is better, Ka or sr? debate.
I started it to let people know that the Ka is a solid engine that will respond well to boost and will not blow faster than any other engine. As long your air/fuel ratio is in check, and you have proper timing, And you keep your boost in check, then all is good. But this applies to any engine that has been turbo'ed, whether from the factory or aftermarket.
It is not because my delicate feelings got hurt, talking bad about the Ka,( which they did by the way), it is because for someone on a limited budget that already has a mechanically sound Ka, then they can boost it and get an extremely fun car to drive and safely make around 300hp. You can dispute this all you want, but it is fact, it is being done all over the country. I'm not just talking out of my ass either go on nico forums and talk to some of the folks in the ka-t forum.
A stock sr swapped in your car will give you 203hp. Right? For around $3-4k depending on who does the swap, maybe more or less, you will be driving a fun little street car that is a blast to drive, handles great and will spank a lot of ass.
Ok for roughly half that cost, you can turbo the Ka, and get around 220-250hp, and have a fun little street car that handles great and will spank a lot of ass.
I don't know how I can be more clear, at no time in this thread have I ever stated that the sr was not a good engine or it was stupid to swap an sr into your car. It is a personal preference as to what you want and how much money you want to spend. I know you can't really compare the two engines anyway, because one is turbo from the factory and one is not.
But, if you take a stock sr and take a Ka and put the same turbo set up on it the ka makes more power due to the simple fact of displacement.
The main reason for my thread was to try to stop the ignorance that abounds when it comes to the Ka
Some people will never mod their sr anyway and they will be perfectly happy with their 203hp output and they would be perfectly happy with a boosted Ka making 220+hp.
A forum is designed to inform and educate those who do not know by those who do, and it should be done as unbiased as possible.
If a noob asked what they should do to his or her car, they should be given all available options open to them, not some closed minded wiener who thinks since he has a certain set up, then so should everybody else.
My personal opinion is that the Ka rocks, tons of torque amplified buy a forced induction setup for not a lot of cash outlay.
So how about some of you actually read the posts I make before you chime in.;)

[Andy C]

is anyone really reading all of this novel?

[Zippy69]

Maybe you should.

[Cash]

can't say i didn't warn you...

[Andy C]

what is that second one on the top?

[Cash]

fetus

[Zippy69]

Cooooool!
Now I'm hungry and slightly aroused. Oh shit! Did I just type that?

[Zippy69]

here are some gross pics. An over-reved sr1267

1268

[hellfire]

SAFC's can DIAF.. ive heard too many bad things about them... i dont even have one, lol, but after the engines in im going Power FC..

I live in Buford


I live in Nicholson. Exit 137 on 85. I've heard good and bad when it comes to afc's, but I really don't have a lot of choices right now. I have to get this thing running now. If Jason at E-mance can make my ecu good, then that is the way I would rather go, but like I said, I need this finished pronto.

An SAFC is fine, you just have to watch your timing. When you turn the fuel down via the safc, the ECU will up the timing. So just watch out for knock.

Tyler

[Zippy69]

An SAFC is fine, you just have to watch your timing. When you turn the fuel down via the safc, the ECU will up the timing. So just watch out for knock.

Tyler
What should my base timing be? 18dbtdc? more? less?

[Cash]

I think it's funny that you talk about how important tuning is, and yet you'd rather find someone that "knows how to tune" instead of taking your car to a reputable shop to have it tuned.

[hellfire]

Depends on how much fuel you are running and how much fuel you are having to pull.

Tyler

[hellfire]

And wait. You are running 370's and stock maf right? Just set it to -27 across the board. You should be fine. You might have to change the Hight Throttle a little richer, but you should be fine to daily at -27.

Actually, maybe I would change the High Throttle to -17 across. High Throttle being 40% and up.

Timing should be 20* I think.

Tyler

[Zippy69]

I think it's funny that you talk about how important tuning is, and yet you'd rather find someone that "knows how to tune" instead of taking your car to a reputable shop to have it tuned.
Can you not read English? I said I wanted to learn how to tune so when I make more modifications to my car I can do these things myself. What is it to you anyway? You have been trolling this thread trying to start shit with every post you make. I think it is extremely important to have a properly tuned car. Don't you? I would rather have someone who owns a Ka-t set up and has tuned it and had it work.
Some folks don't get to rely on daddy's money to pay for their cars and upgrades. I have a family, a house and several vehicles to pay for so I need to save as much money as possible.
So if you have something constructive to add, then by all means, I'll welcome any information you have to offer.If you just want to start some shit with me then, just go away, because I don't come here for this type of childish crap.


And wait. You are running 370's and stock maf right? Just set it to -27 across the board. You should be fine. You might have to change the Hight Throttle a little richer, but you should be fine to daily at -27.

Actually, maybe I would change the High Throttle to -17 across. High Throttle being 40% and up.

Timing should be 20* I think.

Tyler
Actually I'm running 550cc's with an N-60 maf

[Andy C]

y is this thread not locked?

[Cameron.]

cause its awesome lol..

[Zippy69]

y is this thread not locked?
Because we are growing as a community and there is actually some good info being put up, although there are still a few boneheads in the mix.:D

[Andy C]

oooh we should consolidate(sp?) it. and delete the garbage. Maybe i'll build my old ka. this thread has me thinking. but idk.

[Zippy69]

oooh we should consolidate(sp?) it. and delete the garbage. Maybe i'll build my old ka. this thread has me thinking. but idk.
Do I smell sarcasm?:thinking:

[Andy C]

no. i've been contomplating building my ka for a while now. seriously. but i havent decided for sure.

i keep thinking it would be fun but then i think of what i can put into the sr or suspension for the price of a turbo setup.

[Cameron.]

there was a dude on craigslist selling a cheap KA turbo kit for like a grand a month ago or so..

[Andy C]

a grand is also a new turbo for my sr. so you see what i mean?

[Cameron.]

oh i didnt know you had an sr.. stay with the sr if youve already got one.

[Andy C]

oh i didnt know you had an sr.. stay with the sr if youve already got one.
well i could buy a shell and put my ka in it. thats what i meant. the sr is going no where.

[Cameron.]

spend a grand an get a turbo and it will be

[Andy C]

Yeah thats what i am doing. i'm just saying sometimes ka-t crosses my mind.

i need 300ish rwhp before i start a new project.

[Cameron.]

yea

[frosty_spl]

I wanna go KAT because I have an 0bd2 car, unlike most of you. :p

And I dont have 10k laying around to go ls1.

[Andy C]

do u have a kouki?

[Cameron.]

i wanted to go KAT before i went RB.. i wanted torque over power really...

[Hammerhead-i Eaglethrust]

I wanna go KAT because I have an 0bd2 car, unlike most of you. :p

And I dont have 10k laying around to go ls1.

I have an obd2 car as well. It has an SR, so I don't know what the hell I will do if Jackson county ever gets emissions... until then, its all good! I work on cars plenty, but don't yet know the first thing about tuning a turbo car, so the SR is probably right for me for now.

[Zippy69]

I have an obd2 car as well. It has an SR, so I don't know what the hell I will do if Jackson county ever gets emissions... until then, its all good! I work on cars plenty, but don't yet know the first thing about tuning a turbo car, so the SR is probably right for me for now.
Where you at in Jackson county? I live in Nicholson.

[Cash]

Can you not read English? I said I wanted to learn how to tune so when I make more modifications to my car I can do these things myself. What is it to you anyway? You have been trolling this thread trying to start shit with every post you make. I think it is extremely important to have a properly tuned car. Don't you? I would rather have someone who owns a Ka-t set up and has tuned it and had it work.
Some folks don't get to rely on daddy's money to pay for their cars and upgrades. I have a family, a house and several vehicles to pay for so I need to save as much money as possible.
So if you have something constructive to add, then by all means, I'll welcome any information you have to offer.If you just want to start some shit with me then, just go away, because I don't come here for this type of childish crap.


No, I can't read English.

I don't know what it is with me. I'm not trolling this thread. Reread my posts. I'm not trying to start shit. I suggested a great place for you to have your car tuned. That was a constructive suggestion. I agree that a good tune is very important when you make modifications to your car. That's why I think it's worth the money to have it done right.

I'm sure you weren't talking about me when you made the "relying on mommy and daddy's money" comment. I don't know why you would assume that. Have you seen my car?? haha, I think it's pretty clear that I've paid for everything. It'd be a lot cooler if I had mom and dad as my sponsors.

I don't care if you do or don't have expendable income. I think that if you're concerned about saving money you should spend the money now to get a proper tune by professionals. It's like insurance. It's like investing in stocks with a negative beta... in case the unexpected happens, you're still ok. This is a constructive suggestions. Not me trying to start shit. And if you can't afford tuning which is usually less than $200 for a simple setup, then you might want to consider a different, less expensive hobby.

Read Dave's thread: http://240atlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1253

Don't get your feelings hurt by my posts. I'm just stating that EVERYTHING you are arguing about ka-t and EVERYTHING others say about sr has been said numerous times in numerous threads. It's just getting old and that's why myself and others think your thread is futile and should end. The debate is "childish crap" so let it go if that's not what you're here for.

[Zippy69]

No, I can't read English.

I don't know what it is with me. I'm not trolling this thread. Reread my posts. I'm not trying to start shit. I suggested a great place for you to have your car tuned. That was a constructive suggestion. I agree that a good tune is very important when you make modifications to your car. That's why I think it's worth the money to have it done right.

I'm sure you weren't talking about me when you made the "relying on mommy and daddy's money" comment. I don't know why you would assume that. Have you seen my car?? haha, I think it's pretty clear that I've paid for everything. It'd be a lot cooler if I had mom and dad as my sponsors.

I don't care if you do or don't have expendable income. I think that if you're concerned about saving money you should spend the money now to get a proper tune by professionals. It's like insurance. It's like investing in stocks with a negative beta... in case the unexpected happens, you're still ok. This is a constructive suggestions. Not me trying to start shit. And if you can't afford tuning which is usually less than $200 for a simple setup, then you might want to consider a different, less expensive hobby.

Read Dave's thread: http://240atlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1253

Don't get your feelings hurt by my posts. I'm just stating that EVERYTHING you are arguing about ka-t and EVERYTHING others say about sr has been said numerous times in numerous threads. It's just getting old and that's why myself and others think your thread is futile and should end. The debate is "childish crap" so let it go if that's not what you're here for.
Look, maybe I was a little quick to jump on you. My apologies. I went back and read your posts and only the last few were negative. I also went back and read my posts and not once did I ever try to start a ka vs sr debate.
Not once did I ever say anything negative about the sr. Not once did I ever say the ka was better than the sr. My point was and still is the ka can take boost and last. Thats it. And no that comment was not directed at you just a generality. It just seemed that you kept jabbing at me.
It's all good, I prefer friends over enemies any day.:cheers:

[Cash]

No I wasn't jabbing at you. I honestly do think that you should get a professional tune. You and I both know that's the most important part of a turbo build. I think it's awesome that you want to learn how to tune, but personally I wouldn't trust anybody but professionals. Make friends with someone that tunes cars for a living and get them to teach you.

I know you didn't start an sr vs. ka debate. I just get annoyed that every time one or the other comes up, people want to argue about it. As stated several times, they both have their advantages. It's all about what you prefer.

I have an sr and I love it. I have friends with ka-t setups and they love them. I've driving a 250whp t3/t4 ka-t and thought it was awesome. It's definitely a very different feel than an sr. Totally different power bands.

If you look at most of my posts in other threads, I joke around 80% of the time. The post I made about posting disgusting pictures if this thread didn't stop was a joke, not an attack on you. Every argument you made about the ka-t, which were completely accurate, have been said on this forum many times. That was the only reason I said this thread was pointless. It's just an argument that's been worn out on this forum as well as every other 240 forum. There's no need to beat a dead horse. That's my only frustration with this forum. It's nothing personal with you or anyone else.

I understand you want to stand up for ka-t, but it's already been done. You're not going to change anyone's opinion. When people talk bad about ka-t, just let it go, because there's always going to be people that think they're right and you're wrong no matter what you say.

I prefer friends any day as well. :D

[Zippy69]

Cool, yea I know I won't change somebody's opinion, but I hope folks can make an educated decision.

Hey Cash, I see your in Athens. Any of those Ka-t friends local? I would love to check out their set ups, and of course a fine example of an sr set up.;)

[Cash]

Yep, they're local. One has replaced his ka-t with an sr. The other one sold his t3/t4 s14 and now has a s14 sr t28 ka-t setup in an s13. I'll get him to post on here tomorrow and list his setup. Here's the link to his old car: http://240atlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1131

Here's his current setup in his s13 coupe but with a t28. He ended up keeping the car. http://240atlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2125

My sr setup is somewhat boring.. basically stock except for ss manifold, 3" dp, and apex 256 cams. hopefully more improvements will be made when i graduate next december! :)

Brandon's (s14unimog) ka-t build thread is on zilvia. I'll try to find it later. I can't get zilvia to work right now.

[Casey]

we know you never tried to start a debate or bash any motors.

this is the 4th time you said it. lol....

get a tune

and they have classes for tuning

www.google.com


/thread

[Cameron.]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=95722&highlight=s14unimog

[jiminycricket]

I probably should have read all 16 pages of this thread before posting something after getting back from a nice country aired thanksgiving break without my KA-T 240 to worry about or all my buds with their CA's RB's and SR's. Getting onto this site and knowing that deep down we all just are in the game for the love of the car is what makes me want to get laid.
I love nissans and I love you guys.
Now I need to get laid.

[Casey]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/s14unimog/DSC01491.jpg

BWAH! ><
OMFG wow...
that dyno is worse than the other one
crazy lowend power but mannn get some topend in there.
get cams you'll be more happy with the power

wait a sec thats not yours
>< GAY bah bah bah
crackhead

anyways i think hes on this forum.
GET CAMS S14UNIMOG

yah
mercedes unimog
i want one

[Hammerhead-i Eaglethrust]

Where you at in Jackson county? I live in Nicholson.

I'm right there next to Pendergrass, right at the end of old pendergrass rd (hoschton address)... I wired a lot of houses in Staghorn plantation... you familiar with that?

[Zippy69]

I'm right there next to Pendergrass, right at the end of old pendergrass rd (hoschton address)... I wired a lot of houses in Staghorn plantation... you familiar with that?
Yeah, I know a quite a few folks that live in Staghorn. I live a few miles away off of Old Kings Bridge rd.
Thanks for all the info guys, as soon as I get my car up and going I would like to see if we could get some get togethers started. Anybody interested?:cheers:

[Cash]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=95722&highlight=s14unimog

That's the one. Thanks.


Casey, s14unimog has an sr now. ..he still needs cams though! :D haha

[Nisxsz]

holyshit 16 pages!

i read the first 6? idk

I think. I like. KA. Because. it's torquey and I like it. TORQUEY>>>>

[Casey]

That's the one. Thanks.


Casey, s14unimog has an sr now. ..he still needs cams though! :D haha

mmmmm cams

[DAsquintz]

debates like this are entertainment for me..*grabs popcorn and a heiniken* awww man its over already?

eh... damn ...oh well *puts back popcorn... drinks beer*

[Casey]

debate over

7 points me
3 other guy

[v-empire]

who cares? its your car. do what you like......

hate on yourself for hating others hating you.

arrghhh......