brake pads

[autoxracer]

Whats the best brake pads out there that i can use on stock brakes and get alittle increase in stopping power?

[~The_Duke~]

Hawk HP+ or Hawk HPS, tirerack sells them.

Best bang for the buck.

[Photonic]

Whats the best brake pads out there that i can use on stock brakes and get alittle increase in stopping power?


Why do you need more stopping power?

You cannot stop beyond the limit of your tires. If you upgrade tires then a "more stopping power" pad is warranted. Otherwise you just want a pad that dissipates heat.


I still agree that the Hawk HPS is very good. HP+ will be very dusty and aggresive on your rotors but it is an even better pad for performance.

[~The_Duke~]

Why do you need more stopping power?

You cannot stop beyond the limit of your tires. If you upgrade tires then a "more stopping power" pad is warranted. Otherwise you just want a pad that dissipates heat.


I still agree that the Hawk HPS is very good. HP+ will be very dusty and aggresive on your rotors but it is an even better pad for performance.

Stock tires\tire width still have more teeth than most stock brake pads, you want your brakes to have more teeth so that you can easily balance your brake pressure to keep your tires from locking so that you can achieve your maximum stopping force.

But not alot more cas that will lead to unpredictable lock ups.

[autoxracer]

so hawks would be fine on stock brakes is what your saying?

[Andy C]

dont upgrade brakes first

[TaiKneePony]

lol "autoxracer" cant fallow.

[autoxracer]

no, i can, i just trying to figure out whats good and whats not, because the pos brake pads shops put on dont do shit. They wear out way too fast. And why not upgrade brakes first. I need them upgraded mroe than anything right now, the pads im running on isnt worth another accident.

[Andy C]

if ur having that much of a problem, then its not just the pads.

[TaiKneePony]

i was just kidding.

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if ur having that much of a problem, then its not just the pads.

x2

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i use duralast cheapies with the lifetime warranty. they work fine.

[autoxracer]

yes but they dont make duralast in those short box looking pads. My pads are the small squared looking ones like some of the hawk pads. What do you mean Andy that its not the pads of course its the pads, i have to replace them every month because of how bad they are.

[TaiKneePony]

short box looking pads?

[cartune]

Ur car must be powerfull and fast that u go through pads every month

[TaiKneePony]

yup or locked up calipers















or a horrible driver

[Andy C]

yes but they dont make duralast in those short box looking pads. My pads are the small squared looking ones like some of the hawk pads. What do you mean Andy that its not the pads of course its the pads, i have to replace them every month because of how bad they are.

since you know everything, i'll let you figure it out on your own

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yup or locked up calipers


or a liar

fixed

[TaiKneePony]

yup or locked up calipers















or a dumbass

refixed

[autoxracer]

or, the shops dont put new pads on the car, i have had them checked after a shop puts them on, another will tell me they are used pads. I dont know everything, i research. Duralast dont make these pads >>>http://www.driftspeed.com/images/DSC00705.jpg Thats the shape i was refering too. They suck. They arent thick enough. Plus, the only 2 reasons the stopping power is bad on the car is that, the area i live in is busy as hell(stop go traffic) and the pads are allways cut too much to be put back on. After i got them cut the first time i took them off at my school and they were cracked. The shop who cut them just told me to leave it over night, so i did and i get the car back knowing that the braking is the same.THe calipers and lines are all brand new. I have new brake rotors too.

[TaiKneePony]

cut the brakes?

and looks have nothing to do with how it performs.

and obviously they dont because they are endless.

but maybe you shouldnt haul ass and have to slam on the breaks in traffic. i know that my parents and friends and me and everyone else i know commutes in traffic daily and they dont go thru pads monthly... shit my rear driver caliper is locked up and ive had the pads for 2 months

[afwfjustin]

A used z32 upgrade is what, 200, 250 bucks? Just save your money for that.

Or get some Hawk HPS as mentioned already. That is what I'm running with my z32 setup.

Cheap pads and fluid might be ok for driving around town, but during any sort of track/mountain driving where you're constantly on the brakes, you're going to fade and hit something.

[super240sx71]

Wow everyday another post. Go to autozone tell them your year,make,model Then they will give you brake pads for your car. Go home then create a thread asking how too put them on.

[TaiKneePony]

no he lets a shop do them.

[andrew]

on the s2k i changed it all out to see if it actually made that much of a difference. i upgraded to SS lines, DOT4 brake fluid, and carbon fiber weaved pads.
and did it make a difference? well, to be honest...
FOOK YAH! just do it right the first time, at least run DOT4, your fluid wont boil up like DOT3. but the carbon fiber weaved pads are EXTREMELY uneconomical, but it was for my own personal testing and for a teeny tiny magazine... The 'test' will be in Honda tuner coming out in NOV. if any of you want to pick up the issue. pretty sweet.

[autoxracer]

fuck, you know if they put dot3 in there the first time then yea that must have been why they wore out fast.

[~The_Duke~]

ok...

The brake system is a hydrolic system that uses brake fluid pressure to move the pistons on your brake calipers. The pistons push the brake pads onto the rotors, and that friction slows you down.

If you have DOT3 fluid in your system that means it is going to get really hot and boil. Once the brake fluid starts to boil the fluid becomes thinner, and the brake system is not able to push enough pressure into your caliper to supply friction causing brake fade, brake fad is when you are 2 footing the pedal but the car just isnt slowing down much.

Another issue you are going to have on a stock brake system is your hard rubber lines heating up. Since you now have boiled your brake fluid, the hard rubber lines that connect your hard brake lines to your caliper. These lines will heat up and become VERY flexible. When your brake system tries to push the boiling hot fluid into the caliper the hard rubber lines are going to expand lessening then amount of fluid that the system is going to be able to push into the caliper. This causing a squishy pedal feeling when you go to hit the brakes.

Another issue you are going to have is your pads and rotors being able to stand the heat. Depending on what your pads and rotors are made out of and the quiality of the stuff it is made of you are going to have different levels of performance. The higher performance stuff wears out ALOT quicker than your lower performance stuff because when you apply a GREAT amount of friction to 2 surfaces that are made out of a softer metal it is going to scrape off ALOT of material. This is why performance pads\rotors make such hellish brake dust.

The higher performance brake parts are parts that can handle the massive heat that a performance car produces when it is trying to slow down.

1. The better the brake fluid the higher the boiling point.
2. SS braided lines do not expand like hard rubber lines.
3. The better brake pad\rotor you get the less milege you are going to get out of them.
4. Better pads\rotors make ALOT more brake dust.

Squishy pedal feeling is caused by expanding brake lines.
Brake fad is caused by boiling fluid and over heated pads and rotors.

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on the s2k i changed it all out to see if it actually made that much of a difference. i upgraded to SS lines, DOT4 brake fluid, and carbon fiber weaved pads.
and did it make a difference? well, to be honest...
FOOK YAH! just do it right the first time, at least run DOT4, your fluid wont boil up like DOT3. but the carbon fiber weaved pads are EXTREMELY uneconomical, but it was for my own personal testing and for a teeny tiny magazine... The 'test' will be in Honda tuner coming out in NOV. if any of you want to pick up the issue. pretty sweet.

DOT4 fluid is for pansies :taunt:

[autoxracer]

You didnt have to explain what the brake system is, i know what it does, if you dont believe me heres the sequence to bleed the brakes. RR,LR,RF,LF.

[~The_Duke~]

Just making sure man, cas after reading some of this stuff you had me wondering...

Know some of the partical usage information having to do with heat and what failures cause what feelings can be useful in picking a good setup.

I know the bleed senquence on every car ever made. :ninja:

[Photonic]

You didnt have to explain what the brake system is, i know what it does, if you dont believe me heres the sequence to bleed the brakes. RR,LR,RF,LF.


Then why would you assume Dot 3 fluid would have anything to do with your pads wearing out.


Thats like saying...My cheap wiper fluid caused my wiper motor to wear out.

[autoxracer]

lol sure, but yea, you all jump to conclusions before even letting me prove anything. But yea, you know if we knew each other before i was a member, duke i would have pulled the pads off and showed you. Ive had these pads for 3 years.The shops just cut them like they do with the rotors. Probably that fucked them up worse than what the brake fluid and lines have.

[~The_Duke~]

Cut the pads? WTF?!?!?

The only thing they do to the rotors is machine them so that they are flat after you use them for a while. You dont do that to pads, EVER...

Do not use that shop anymore they are retarded.

[autoxracer]

um, ok i wont go to midas, koffman tires, etc. They did the cutting. So then, do you suggest just getting new pads then? I have had these pads for 3 years and counting this one as 4th year.

[Elizabeth Reed]

what is going on in here

[down_shift]

dont upgrade brakes first

:rolleyes:

[BigJack]

I have Hawk HPS pads. They are great as long as you don't care about brake dust.

Upgrade to Z32 or 180SX brakes and you can get Project Mu pads which I've read are the best.

[justjuiceit]

On the topic of brakes, how bad is it to put new rotors on nearly new brake pads?

[~The_Duke~]

On the topic of brakes, how bad is it to put new rotors on nearly new brake pads?

Did you seat the almost new pads onto the new rotors good? If so, not bad at all. You shouldnt have a problem.

[justjuiceit]

Here is the situation, I ordered some rotors and they were delayed being shipped, so I turned the old rotors which were slightly below the bare minimum of spec. I finally got the new rotors. The pads have less than 1K miles on them. I know not to put new pads with used rotors, but not sure the other way around. I am assuming that the pads should conform to the new rotors?

[afwfjustin]

what is going on in here

this.

[Stroker]

I agree with the Hawk HPS recommendation...I run them with a good synthetic fluid and they do very well on mountain runs.

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um, ok i wont go to midas, koffman tires, etc. They did the cutting. So then, do you suggest just getting new pads then? I have had these pads for 3 years and counting this one as 4th year.
What do you mean they cut them? If you are talking about the line in the middle of the pads...that was not done by Midas, Koffman, etc...

[~The_Duke~]

Here is the situation, I ordered some rotors and they were delayed being shipped, so I turned the old rotors which were slightly below the bare minimum of spec. I finally got the new rotors. The pads have less than 1K miles on them. I know not to put new pads with used rotors, but not sure the other way around. I am assuming that the pads should conform to the new rotors?

Just give them a good seating and they will be fine :goodjob:

[autoxracer]

well, im heading over to see dave at Lethal to fix my alt problem, maybe he can check the brakes out there. I have to figure out how to remove the whole front of the engine to clean everything.

[~The_Duke~]

well, im heading over to see dave at Lethal to fix my alt problem, maybe he can check the brakes out there. I have to figure out how to remove the whole front of the engine to clean everything.

Yes do that.

[Photonic]

um, ok i wont go to midas, koffman tires, etc. They did the cutting. So then, do you suggest just getting new pads then? I have had these pads for 3 years and counting this one as 4th year.


I think we have a communication problem here. 90% of your responses are totally out of context. Like the thread about your "Kill" where you thought everyone was calling you a liar for some reason...

You don't make a whole lot of sense man. Maybe we need to work this out before any more threads?

[autoxracer]

or maybe you need to stay out of it because you jump to conclusions too fast.

[v-empire]

no, i can, i just trying to figure out whats good and whats not, because the pos brake pads shops put on dont do shit. They wear out way too fast. And why not upgrade brakes first. I need them upgraded mroe than anything right now, the pads im running on isnt worth another accident.

harsher stopping brakes normally wear out faster, coz of softer compound.

new technology makes them last a llittle longer as they go.

upgrade your tires for better stopping power as well.

[Sir_Alexander_Slideways]

Cut the pads? WTF?!?!?

The only thing they do to the rotors is machine them so that they are flat after you use them for a while. You dont do that to pads, EVER...

Do not use that shop anymore they are retarded.

very rarely we "cut" pads (basicly sand them down) to get rid of a sqeek, or if another shop did a shit job and the rotors are grooved to shit, and new pads just slapped on.

autoxracer, i suggest google.

[autoxracer]

i have, and i have found slotted brakes front and rear for 83 bucks from ebay with pads.:taunt: Im gunna get them.

[down_shift]

good luck with that.

[Photonic]

or maybe you need to stay out of it because you jump to conclusions too fast.


Is this a proper response to what I said? I really cant decide...is this another example of what I mean?

[thatskarma]

Is this a proper response to what I said? I really cant decide...is this another example of what I mean?

Haha like talking to a brick wall.

[autoxracer]

well if you all are going to respond to me in all my threads like im a brick wall thats what your going to get. If you want me to simplify everything then respond with some normal non smartass answers maybe this "brick wall" will give you better answers, simple as that.

[zakkkaliscious]

You asked the question they answered.

[~The_Duke~]

very rarely we "cut" pads (basicly sand them down) to get rid of a sqeek, or if another shop did a shit job and the rotors are grooved to shit, and new pads just slapped on.

autoxracer, i suggest google.

I have never heard of this before? Maybe it is because the only reason why I have ever done anything to my pads is if I glazed some and they werent working for shit. So I had to sand off the glaze so they would work again... lol

[Photonic]

well if you all are going to respond to me in all my threads like im a brick wall thats what your going to get. If you want me to simplify everything then respond with some normal non smartass answers maybe this "brick wall" will give you better answers, simple as that.


*edited*

never mind. I was going to say something...but...yeah..just n/m

[autoxracer]

I fixed the problem

[hellokouki]

or, the shops dont put new pads on the car, i have had them checked after a shop puts them on, another will tell me they are used pads. I dont know everything, i research. Duralast dont make these pads >>>http://www.driftspeed.com/images/DSC00705.jpg Thats the shape i was refering too. They suck. They arent thick enough. Plus, the only 2 reasons the stopping power is bad on the car is that, the area i live in is busy as hell(stop go traffic) and the pads are allways cut too much to be put back on. After i got them cut the first time i took them off at my school and they were cracked. The shop who cut them just told me to leave it over night, so i did and i get the car back knowing that the braking is the same.THe calipers and lines are all brand new. I have new brake rotors too.


You should just put the pads on yourself then! It isn't hard!

[autoxracer]

i fixed the problem

[sullen]

brakes lead to an accident? your brake pads went out? i don't understand how that happens? maybe you were following too close, and didn't have the distance to make a good reaction time? you know you're supposed to follow 2 seconds behind someone during normal daily driving.... at 55 mph, thats a good distance...

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someone CUT your brake pads?


do you know what you're even saying?

[autoxracer]

are you dislexic sullen, I think you are, because i just sat there typing fixed problem twice. That was the third time right there, heres the fourth. I fixed the problem. You need to get your head out your ass and read the last post from me. That goes for everyone. If you dont like me talking to you like this, then dont say shit to me about my posts.Same goes with tags.

[Photonic]

Congratulations on fixing your problem!

Its always good to solve things and learn stuff.

[sullen]

im sorry i don't feel like reading through the bullshit. so, then squeeky pads led to you getting into an accident? i fail to see how the fuck your brakes squeeking lead to you causing an accident.

and FYI.... im a mechanic. i work at a shop. if anything, you should take what some people say on here with some say so. some of us know what we're talking about. acting like an ass doesn't get you any friends on here. if you wanted to know something about something, being a gigantic douchebag doesn't get you answers.

[autoxracer]

Yep i see nothing by me that says i was in an accident. So dont say stuff that arent there sullen.

[sullen]

the pads im running on isnt worth another accident.


you fail.

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first page, post #8.

[autoxracer]

No you fail because that can mean anything, and It meant an accident period.I havent had a single accident period. Bumping someone without damage or paint trade isnt considered an accident because theres nothing to report,obviously.

[sullen]

ok, i give up. i don't give a fuck or not if you have something more serious with your brakes. you clearly stated something, and then completely deny it. whatever dude. have fun, i don't need to help you. i just lol at it.


nu uh, thats not what that meant! you stupid head!

[autoxracer]

lol ok:wave:

[Photonic]

lol ok:wave:


You said "Another accident" Autoxracer.

In order to have "ANOTHER accident" there must first be an ORIGINAL accident that precedes "Another accident"

By saying "Its not worth another accident" Means you have had an accident already, and do not wish to have another one.

Your words were wrong and thats why Sullen is so confused.

You should have just said "Its not worth an accident" and left "another" out of the sentence.



Another used as an Adjective

Another - being one more ..or more of the same; further; additional:

As a Pronoun

Another - one more; an additional one: That first hot dog tasted so good I'd like another.

So if you have never had a hot dog before. You would not say "I would like another hot dog " because you never had one before...

[Elizabeth Reed]

This guy

http://240atlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31630

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This guy

http://240atlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31630

[zebrafantastic]

You should just get on IA. Seriously man, you really expect not to get flamed with all these stupid posts. The Majority, not all, of your threads/posts can be EASILY found through google. (such as this thread). Why dont you spend more time reading an FSM instead of getting "nowhere" as you have so described and getting "no help from anyone" on this website.

[cartune]

http://www.thelostogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/shakenbakecrystalmeth2.jpg

[hellokouki]

You said "Another accident" Autoxracer.

In order to have "ANOTHER accident" there must first be an ORIGINAL accident that precedes "Another accident"

By saying "Its not worth another accident" Means you have had an accident already, and do not wish to have another one.

Your words were wrong and thats why Sullen is so confused.

You should have just said "Its not worth an accident" and left "another" out of the sentence.





Another used as an Adjective

Another - being one more ..or more of the same; further; additional:

As a Pronoun

Another - one more; an additional one: That first hot dog tasted so good I'd like another.

So if you have never had a hot dog before. You would not say "I would like another hot dog " because you never had one before...


hahaha this made me LOL

[davidk]

ok...

The brake system is a hydrolic system that uses brake fluid pressure to move the pistons on your brake calipers. The pistons push the brake pads onto the rotors, and that friction slows you down.

If you have DOT3 fluid in your system that means it is going to get really hot and boil. Once the brake fluid starts to boil the fluid becomes thinner, and the brake system is not able to push enough pressure into your caliper to supply friction causing brake fade, brake fad is when you are 2 footing the pedal but the car just isnt slowing down much.

Another issue you are going to have on a stock brake system is your hard rubber lines heating up. Since you now have boiled your brake fluid, the hard rubber lines that connect your hard brake lines to your caliper. These lines will heat up and become VERY flexible. When your brake system tries to push the boiling hot fluid into the caliper the hard rubber lines are going to expand lessening then amount of fluid that the system is going to be able to push into the caliper. This causing a squishy pedal feeling when you go to hit the brakes.

Another issue you are going to have is your pads and rotors being able to stand the heat. Depending on what your pads and rotors are made out of and the quiality of the stuff it is made of you are going to have different levels of performance. The higher performance stuff wears out ALOT quicker than your lower performance stuff because when you apply a GREAT amount of friction to 2 surfaces that are made out of a softer metal it is going to scrape off ALOT of material. This is why performance pads\rotors make such hellish brake dust.

The higher performance brake parts are parts that can handle the massive heat that a performance car produces when it is trying to slow down.

1. The better the brake fluid the higher the boiling point.
2. SS braided lines do not expand like hard rubber lines.
3. The better brake pad\rotor you get the less milege you are going to get out of them.
4. Better pads\rotors make ALOT more brake dust.

Squishy pedal feeling is caused by expanding brake lines.
Brake fad is caused by boiling fluid and over heated pads and rotors.

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DOT4 fluid is for pansies :taunt:
i had my pads grinded down and replaced my brake lines with cpvc and put some computer fans on my master cylinder to keep my fluid from boiling but just in case it did i put a catch tank there with some eggs so i could have something to eat while i waited for my lines to cool down

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i had an original accident,,,i shit myself when my stock ka with only a computer chip mod smoked a 240sx with an sr20det.

[FlatWoodsMonster]

real men run DOT-1

[MongolPup]

i had my pads grinded down and replaced my brake lines with cpvc and put some computer fans on my master cylinder to keep my fluid from boiling but just in case it did i put a catch tank there with some eggs so i could have something to eat while i waited for my lines to cool down

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i had an original accident,,,i shit myself when my stock ka with only a computer chip mod smoked a 240sx with an sr20det.

What the hell? AE?

[seven13]

As a side note, if your car braking isn’t up to par make sure the lines aren't corroded, the fluid isn’t dirty, and that your master and booster are in good shape. These are relatively cheap fixes that can make a dramatic difference on performance.

[Memme]

i was just kidding.

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x2

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i use duralast cheapies with the lifetime warranty. they work fine.


Duralast GOLD muthafucka!

I just swapped my rears out FO FREE.

Took me like 40 minutes... and cost me nothing! :superman:

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or, the shops dont put new pads on the car, i have had them checked after a shop puts them on, another will tell me they are used pads. I dont know everything, i research. Duralast dont make these pads >>>http://www.driftspeed.com/images/DSC00705.jpg Thats the shape i was refering too. They suck. They arent thick enough. Plus, the only 2 reasons the stopping power is bad on the car is that, the area i live in is busy as hell(stop go traffic) and the pads are allways cut too much to be put back on. After i got them cut the first time i took them off at my school and they were cracked. The shop who cut them just told me to leave it over night, so i did and i get the car back knowing that the braking is the same.THe calipers and lines are all brand new. I have new brake rotors too.

WTF :screwy:

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I think you should change your name...

Because it sounds like even if you did AutoX... you would suck at it because you know nothing about cars.

If you're really an actual AutoXracer, then you know fucking brakes... and you should be capable of doing them yourself, and knowing which brand to buy, and you'd know what the fuck you're talking about... at least most of the time.

Jesus Christ. :rolleyes:

And you're trying to say Duralast doesn't make your brake pads?

I find that hard to believe... really hard.

[s7_]

Where's my god damn $3000 you wanted to give me for my non turbo SR, jackhat.

(@OP)

[Memme]

^ Herpes do suck...

I have to shit... vodka shit!

[sullen]

holy shit, AutoXRacer isn't banned yet? i thought for sure his ass would be banned like 2 months ago for posting too much dumb shit.


IIRC, you're retarded OP. and i don't see that changing any time soon.

how does a shop grind your brake pads down to help with brake fade? im confused on this one.
stop and go traffic isn't normally enough to overheat brake systems.
you probably don't even have a drivers liscense, do you?

[Sir_Alexander_Slideways]

I have never heard of this before? Maybe it is because the only reason why I have ever done anything to my pads is if I glazed some and they werent working for shit. So I had to sand off the glaze so they would work again... lol

exactly :) same reason we might "cut" them.

[sullen]

ok, then we're talking about cutting rotors, not pads.... right? i've never cut pads. i've had to sand them down to remove the glaze....

i was just wondering if someone pulled a fast one on me and invented a brake pad lathe or something... something to cut brake pads, and possible fuck up something even more horrible.

[Sir_Alexander_Slideways]

ok, then we're talking about cutting rotors, not pads.... right? i've never cut pads. i've had to sand them down to remove the glaze....

i was just wondering if someone pulled a fast one on me and invented a brake pad lathe or something... something to cut brake pads, and possible fuck up something even more horrible.

i used cut to discribe sanding lol. i guessed the op did the same... but now im not so sure... hes a special kid.

[sullen]

i know he's special, i was just wondering if he learned to keep quiet and spectate instead of opening his mouth and winding up as a nice pretty red skid mark.


better to be quiet and thought a fool than to have opened one's mouth and removed all doubt.