VLSD or Welded

[Leeelan]

Alright guys i need some input i need to get a new diff and i got 2 options right now and they are to get a viscous for $150 or get my diff welded for like $60 this is going to be my daily driver so who ever drives a welded as a daily tell me what its like and what you have to go thru and who ever drives a VLSD tell me how it is sliding with it does it lock up good does it not lock up good i need to start deciding soon thanks guys and please dont just start sayin VLSD sucks its terrible or Welded is so dangerous its ghey i want good logical answers HELP!

[omgwtfbbq]

Why not use both, raise it up, for a 4X4 setup, and make it a perfect candidate for the truck conversion. Personally I would go with the VLSD for a daily driver.

[Dominic49]

I have DD my welded diff for over 6 montsh I went from a clutched 35% lockup LSD to the welded and love the welded so much more....... its fine for dailying it makes some noises but who gives....

[Leeelan]

thanks for the positive input guys i appreciate it

[ThatS13Guy]

oooor you can save and get a 1.5 or 2 way.....but thats just my opinion

[babowc]

i'll be running vlsd on a semitrack/weekend car.

[MOOREOFSTEPHEN]

More feed back... I'm in the same spot! I think I'm just gonna weld it for now... whats some of the worse things about it?

[babowc]

I think the only downfall on welded would be the noise on slow turns.
Possibility of welds breaking and POSSIBLY locking up the rear end resulting in a busted tranny and a wreck. (unlikely)

and.. that the tires wear a bit quicker than otherwise.

I'd rock a welded, but I already have the vlsd and I busted an axle taking it out of the spindle, lol. + no need to spend more money on welding this sucker.

[turbology]

eh?
Is like comparing should I have a Filet Mignon, or a McNugget.

[babowc]

Depends on how you look at it, I suppose.

[MOOREOFSTEPHEN]

Spotted the obvious yes... but if I could have it welded for free... why not?

Or am I missing some hints I can't catch?

What if I had the guy do one sick ass weld job. Will it always make the noise? And noise... are you talking about metal related or the tires on the ground?

[turbology]

Depends on how you look at it, I suppose.


I think the only downfall on welded would be the noise on slow turns.
Possibility of welds breaking and POSSIBLY locking up the rear end resulting in a busted tranny and a wreck. (unlikely)

and.. that the tires wear a bit quicker than otherwise.

*sigh*
If it is a DD, I will NEVER weld the diff.
Why differential was inveted was to let both wheels at same axle turn at different speed. Why limited slip was invented was to transfer more torque to the wheel that need more.

Welded just defeat all purpose.
Very fast tires wear is first thing you going to notice.
Noise you hear are more than just tires wearing off. You are also putting alot of stressed to axle, diff, driveshaft, tranny, transmission & clutch. Eventually one of them going to pop.
Welded won't come off. If it does, it is not welded. It just "glue" together.
At minimum traction condition, example wet pavement, welded diff does not allow wheel to turn at different speed. This mean your forward thrust/acceleration can be very viotile and hard to control. If one wheel start slipping, condition just get worse.

Filet Mignon & McNugget: Both fill your hunger (traction need), but Filet Mignon(VLSD) are better, and for McNugget(welded) it will make you fat (break something)

[BenefitX]

weld it until you can afford a real differential , like a 2 way...and why does it cost 60$??

[flip]

I've run both for 5+ month periods of time and have daily'd both. I'll try to give my input...

Welded -
I had my diff welded by Turbo Dave at Mainstream. If you're going to get your diff welded it's probably a good idea to have him do it. He does a great job and does it quick. At first I loved the welded. I wasn't really dailying it much and didn't mind the chirping noise at all. It did wear rear tires out REALLY quickly even if I wasn't sliding which sucked since I already went through tires fast. Once in a slide, welded was nice. It was predictable in transitions and such. The downside is that when in a turn, theres no slipping at all which makes a very thin line between making a turn and going into a slide. This also causes the car to lunge pretty bad in lower speed turns (second gear). As others said, the welded diff is also pretty brutal on a lot of other suspension parts including all of your mounts and axels. At first when I ran my welded diff everything was tight and nice but after a while things started feeling loose and mushy. Coming in and out of turns was changed a lot with welded as well. It was much slower to pull out of turns because the diff was wound up making it take a lot more power to move the car. Same with pulling out. Turning is affected since you have the extra load to scoot that one tire across the ground so changing lanes on the highway you will feel it. In the rain at first I didn't notice many problems (on 17's). It definitely was way more prone to sliding out but it was controllable and predictable. After I tried running with 15's it got a little crazy. I actually had to slow down my driving style in the rain if I didn't want to slide. I'd say overall I like drifting better with some type of lsd over welded. There is a much smoother transition when going from gripping to sliding... It fits my style better.

VLSD -
I got a VLSD from a 180sx. I loved it. It functioned great, was predictable, easy to daily and fairly quiet. The only noise that I got out of it was sharp turns it would do a littke calunkalunkalunka lunk. Not bad at all... In between open and locked the transition was very smooth and didn't make any noise either. The only problem that I had with it was that beat the crap out of it (i've got solid sub frame bushings) and i ended up loosening the shims a tad in that diff which made it a little noisier but that wasn't the diff's fault. It still continued to function just fine. Its a great place to start if you can't afford a more serious diff.

Feel free to ask any other specific questions. I'd be glad to answer since I've had quite a bit of experience with both in a daily driving situation.


I think the only downfall on welded would be the noise on slow turns.
Possibility of welds breaking and POSSIBLY locking up the rear end resulting in a busted tranny and a wreck. (unlikely)

and.. that the tires wear a bit quicker than otherwise.

I'd rock a welded, but I already have the vlsd and I busted an axle taking it out of the spindle, lol. + no need to spend more money on welding this sucker.

The noise in slow turns is deff not too fun, and tires do go a lot quicker.

If you get it welded correctly it will not come appart unless you're running crazy stupid power...


Spotted the obvious yes... but if I could have it welded for free... why not?

Or am I missing some hints I can't catch?

What if I had the guy do one sick ass weld job. Will it always make the noise? And noise... are you talking about metal related or the tires on the ground?

Have it welded by someone thats welded a diff before. Its not hard but is VERY important that its done well. The noise that he speaks of is partly the tires. You will get a great deal of noise from other parts of your suspension and drivetrain like axels, subframe etc... since most everything has a little bit of play in it. If your diff is welded, in turns it will wind up the axels until the tire begins to slip. When it does it unwinds and makes noise. The joints in the driveshaft may make noise if it has play as well. Also your subframe bushings if not pristine will be ripped to shreads...


weld it until you can afford a real differential , like a 2 way...and why does it cost 60$??

A 2 way would be nice to start with but the difference between $150-300 and $800+ for a reall diff is a lot. I'd say go ahead and get something (welded or vlsd) whichever you decide since it's not that expensive and start getting sidways (on the track of course :) ). When you can afford a real diff just pull out your old diff and you'll be able to sell it for what you paid... No loss of money, just time on install.

[Leeelan]

vlsd. there should be no reason to weld your diff. unless you are proud of ghetto rigging your shit. if so, pick up some freddy parts on the low to add to the shittiness RPS13 i would appreciate it if you would not post on any of my threads because i feel that your posts are pointless and dont contribute to any of my questions asked so go post about
"ghetto rigging" somewhere else






And Flip thanks you answered alot of my questions and i think you helped me make my decision

[Andy C]

I noticed that too^

[turbology]

RPS13 i would appreciate it if you would not post on any of my threads because i feel that your posts are pointless and dont contribute to any of my questions asked so go post about
"ghetto rigging" somewhere else

He was trying to say don't weld your diff if you don't want to break something. If you do, you probably need to get alot more parts from junkyard, and eventually car might just fall apart.

At least he pointed out real true fact.
Or you rather have someone tell you something not true ?

[JJ Alfano]

i have viscus, and my friends all have welded. i see no huge difference in drifting their cars or mine. But mine is a hell of a lot better to daily drive. i would go with viscus hands down, i was actually suprised how many people drift viscus, i thought it was the pussy LSD but i was wrong 100% it does its job and its cheap as hell. I think its perfect for a stock KA application.

[babowc]

the thing with viscous is also that it will wear out.
same thing with welded.

however, i think this discussion has been beaten with a stick many enough times on this forum.

we should just let this die now, since the OP's questions have been answered, before this turns into a flamefest.

[turbology]

the thing with viscous is also that it will wear out.
same thing with welded.

:thinking:

[babowc]

flip.. just close this up.

[flip]

And Flip thanks you answered alot of my questions and i think you helped me make my decision

No problem!

I don't want to sound like I'm bashing on welded cause it was great too but if you're dailying it after a while it does get kind of bothersome...


i have viscus, and my friends all have welded. i see no huge difference in drifting their cars or mine. But mine is a hell of a lot better to daily drive. i would go with viscus hands down, i was actually suprised how many people drift viscus, i thought it was the pussy LSD but i was wrong 100% it does its job and its cheap as hell. I think its perfect for a stock KA application.

Yeah, mine functioned great!


the thing with viscous is also that it will wear out.
same thing with welded.

however, i think this discussion has been beaten with a stick many enough times on this forum.

we should just let this die now, since the OP's questions have been answered, before this turns into a flamefest.

Viscous will wear out. The welded should never wear out tho. Not sure what you mean would wear out on the welded.

We've had some valuable discussion in here regarding the two. I think as long as we can stay on topic this should be left open for anyone else with questions or comments... I will simply delete any off topic posts.

[Barnacles240]

i am personally going with welded until, i get the money for 2 way, i want something predictable "welded"....and RPS13 would u mind sharing ur setup, because it seems you bash everything anyone posts about parts....so just wondering

[RPS13]

and RPS13 would u mind sharing ur setup, because it seems you bash everything anyone posts about parts....so just wondering

my setup? you mean my diff setup? its a r200 vlsd

[Dominic49]

http://www.slidewaysonline.com/?q=node/25


now get off your ass and go do it

[JJ Alfano]

http://www.slidewaysonline.com/?q=node/25


now get off your ass and go do it


i could, or pay my buddy 20 bucks to do it for me!!!!

[flip]

http://www.slidewaysonline.com/?q=node/25


now get off your ass and go do it

Wow, thats a great writeup!

[babowc]

I'd think on a welded, although the actual diff. doesn't wear out, it'll adversely affect the CV axles.. which doesn't really matter.

Which puts me to the point..
I take that back, lol.

I suppose welded really can't wear out/down.

[FlatWoodsMonster]

You need a Optimums Primical Diff because its 3-WAY.:yes:

[Beez_S13]

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[FlatWoodsMonster]

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Or get a Gundam Diff those shits are 5-way:goodjob: You need to read more man.

[seksehowy]

Or get a Gundam Diff those shits are 5-way:goodjob: You need to read more man.

thats weaksauce,
get the PowerRanger TurboII Battle Bot diff, it has 10-way.

[FlatWoodsMonster]

thats weaksauce,
get the PowerRanger TurboII Battle Bot diff, it has 10-way.

Betelgeuse-Robotech hybrid diff. And guess what it's 60-way and has 300 clutches in it.

[dhumps]

hey buddy im welding mine i know i guy who has his welded and he has no problems with it, jus drags tires when you park and stuff, but i am welding mine until i can find some j30 axles for my 300zx vlsd

[tetos]

vlsd ftw

[babowc]

ill have welded and vlsd.

ill run vlsd first and see how it performs.
then ill weld my open diff and put er in there and see how that does.

im sure welded will be alot more predictable than the vlsd.
not to mention the price of it.. being so much less than vlsd.

[badass240]

ill have welded and vlsd.

ill run vlsd first and see how it performs.
then ill weld my open diff and put er in there and see how that does.

im sure welded will be alot more predictable than the vlsd.
not to mention the price of it.. being so much less than vlsd.

well whichever one u decide not to keep, lmk, and we can work a deal

[OtiS13]

after talking with flip, i decided that i am prob going to run welded for now... sick of only being able to power over slide in left hand corners. even after turbo spool i cant slide right hand corners with my stock suspension, i just hop. so for now i am going to run welded till i have the money for more. also i was told by Derek at Lethal Injection Tuning (the shop that did my sr swap) that for about $500 installed i can run a skyline rear end. dont know waht lsd is in that but he said that is what he runs in his dd/drift car

[JJ Alfano]

welded is the best for drifting besides a 2 way, its just not the best for daily driving. Im going to weld the diff in my KAT

[FlatWoodsMonster]

welded is the best for drifting besides a 2 way, its just not the best for daily driving. Im going to weld the diff in my KAT

LAME.

[JJ Alfano]

LAME.



:gay:

[Banzai]

if you can afford a 1.5 or 2 way go for it.. if you cant get a viscous.. I wouldnt weld a diff on my DD. just my opinion, welded is fine for track use only

[FlatWoodsMonster]

:gay:

Gay just like the SUPER FUN HAPPY SLIDERS :lmfao:

[flip]

LAME.

Yes you are :toung:


if you can afford a 1.5 or 2 way go for it.. if you cant get a viscous.. I wouldnt weld a diff on my DD. just my opinion, welded is fine for track use only

Its really about what you can put up with and if you can afford tires... If you know how to daily drive the welded its not that bad. You just have to realize that in the rain with skinny tires you need to slower than normal. My welded diff gave me a chance to get some good practice in but at the same time stay within a budget. When I had enough for the 2-way I bought it. With 235's in the rear it wasn't very squirrelly in the rain unless I wanted it to be.

[Barnacles240]

im certainly welding my diff before the 28th, but of course it wont be my daily for another 5 months

[BlackMage]

Your other option is try and find a non-turbo z32 and steal the pumpkin from the back. The N/T Z32 is the same exact VLSD as the 180sx.

I have my old open pumpkin which I think I'm going to weld if I don't sell it and swap between the two.

[GriffinW]

The only thing that worries me about daily driving a welded diff is the stress it puts on the studs on the hub. If those break, there goes a wheel and possibly thousands in body damage.

but dispite that, I would buy an extra diff and weld one, and swap them out every now and then.

[BlackMage]

Brant's car is a perfectly good reason on why NOT to use a welded diff for daily driving.

[Dominic49]

Brant's car is a perfectly good reason on why NOT to use a welded diff for daily driving.

if the car had been well taken care of and properly prepared for the welded.....


same could be said about solid mounts and a whole lot of other things...


take care of your shit before you beat on it doesn't matter what diff you have...


i've dailyed a welded for the past 15k miles ~9 months and NOTHING has gone the sour because of it.

it has show me weak points in my suspension on where I need to take care of (stock 20 year old bushings arent up to the task) but its been faithful.

[babowc]

Brant's car is a perfectly good reason on why NOT to use a welded diff for daily driving.

oh shat the fack up.
if cars pushing 300+ hp are using welded differentials, its perfectly FINE.

you just need to know to take care and tq the damn lugnuts correctly.

[white_s14]

my friend liked the welded better for difting but the vsld is alot better for just driving

[Wes]

I have an S14 VLSD in my hatch, I like it, but from a cost standpoint, I'm pretty much at the point of selling it and welding my old stock one myself. I'm tired of looking at it collecting dust in my shop. But then again, my hatch is pretty much my "raise hell/cut circles/ attempt to blow up/off road/dog the living shit out of car." I figure that way, whatever breaks needed to be replaced anyways.

[Nismo_RPS13]

welded for drifting only
vlsd for strett/track car

[Andy C]

I installed my welded diff on sunday.
It is not good for daily driving imo. Its annoying, and it seems like its putting a LOT of stress on my rear end. Its pretty much what I expected it to be. It is necessary for me to drift on sunday, but i am goin to go ahead and order a kazz 2 way this or next week. I cant stand doing this to my car for much longer.

It is a lot more fun than open diff for sure though!

[Barnacles240]

damn!!!, andy has 2 way money

[FlatWoodsMonster]

welded for drifting only
vlsd for strett/track car

Full LSD for all the above.:goodjob:

[Andy C]

damn!!!, andy has 2 way money
Lol. I dont have many bills, so...