Idea for theft deterent

[deucefawty]

So I had a guy tell me he could steal my 240. I was like BS, so he showed me. It sucks how easy it is to crank a Honda or Nissan without a key. Anyway, without going into details on that, I figured my alarm system wasn't enough. So, I have decided to install a switch between my fuel pump fuse and the fuel pump. Whenever I get out of the car, I'm going to cut off the switch. That way, if you don't switch it back on, you can crank it up, and only drive as far as the fuel that is in the line will take you (about 10 seconds). I think this is a good idea. Anyone have any disputes or comments on this as a security measure?

[andrew]

theres no single thing you can do to prevent a thief from getting into or getting your car. best protect is LAYERS.
more layers, the better. slows them down.

[SCato]

its called a Fuel Pump kill switch, ive got one as well among others

[omgtofu]

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92688

[towel_head]

nobody is going to steal an s14 with a ka, ik you have suspension arms but the risk of stealing a car(a felony) isn't worth getting $300 in suspension shit

[m_cloud]

ive got one on my car... its a good theft deterrent. so is a removable steering wheel.. and a battery killswitch... and the flamethrower kit. hahahaha.

no really, the fuel pump switch is a good thing.

[omgtofu]

nobody is going to steal an s14 with a ka, ik you have suspension arms but the risk of stealing a car(a felony) isn't worth getting $300 in suspension shit
lol you think a car thief can see through the hood? they dont give a fuck what its got, if they want to steal it, they will try to steal it.

[m_cloud]

truth

[andrew]

lol you think a car thief can see through the hood? they dont give a fuck what its got, if they want to steal it, they will try to steal it..

[deucefawty]

Wow, that was freakin fast. I didn't know that this was that popular of an idea. So it does help then. I've got an alarm too, but figured this was be icing on the cake. And it's $700+ in suspension shit.

[TheChosenOne]

i will steal your car no matter what

[deucefawty]

Where's a good location to put that switch? Obviously in line with the 12V circuit that powers the pump, but where would it be an inconspicuous piece of hardware?

[omgtofu]

Where's a good location to put that switch? Obviously in line with the 12V circuit that powers the pump, but where would it be an inconspicuous piece of hardware?

lol thats for you to know and for us to try and find out :wave:

[deucefawty]

LOLz, roger that.

[TheChosenOne]

i can steal your car no matter what, all i need is to rent a tow truck and BOOM!

[jphibbs]

nobody is going to steal an s14 with a ka, ik you have suspension arms but the risk of stealing a car(a felony) isn't worth getting $300 in suspension shit

I can tell you from experience that that is completely wrong.

[andrew]

i can steal your car no matter what, all i need is to rent a tow truck and BOOM!
amateur

[Iam99x]

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92688

Great idea until you get sick and tired of resetting your clock and radio settings.



There are many many many ways to prevent a car from being stolen. All you have to do is understand how everything works, because then you know how to make them NOT work.

[TheChosenOne]

amateur

dont blame me if your car gets stolen

[andrew]

dont blame me if your car gets stolen
its ok, i got insurance.
and my car is only at 3 places ever, 2 of the places have cameras. so whatever works.
and not like i wouldnt know who itd be. not you. i mean if someone was to steal my car, id bet id know exactly who it was.

[m_cloud]

Great idea until you get sick and tired of resetting your clock and radio settings.


very true... its annoying.

[Wes]

Dude, most imports are the easiest cars to start without a key.

Give me a screwdriver and a hammer, and Im almost positive I could have any Civic driving in under 90 seconds.

Fuel pump cutoff is one of the most popular ways for a theft deterrent.
I personally like the idea of having not only a FP cutoff, but also one that kills the starter, and one for the distributor.

And layering is the key.

I'd truthfully feel more secure spending about $25 on switches and wire and making my own cutoffs than an alarm. I'm not sure if you guys realize how easy it is to kill an alarm that was installed like normal.

Hell, I pulled the alarm out of my GSR in about 5 minutes, wiring, speaker, brain and all.

I know alot of Honda folks will just pull their main relay, haha.

[vqdreaming]

my friend just took his ecu out every time he left his car. If your carrying around a steering wheel(to the ppl that say just get a quick release) might as well carry your ecu

[I RON DON KEY]

take out fuses and put them in your pocket?

alternator fuse?

[Wes]

my friend just took his ecu out every time he left his car. If your carrying around a steering wheel(to the ppl that say just get a quick release) might as well carry your ecu


Lol taking the ECU with you is way too much work, haha.

[andrew]

Lol taking the ECU with you is way too much work, haha.
just unplug dat hoe!

[Wes]

Lol, dude in the time its gonna take to pull kick panels and unmount an ECU, a theif would just club me and plug it in his damn self and go, lol.

[Iam99x'sWIFEY]

So I had a guy tell me he could steal my 240. I was like BS, so he showed me. It sucks how easy it is to crank a Honda or Nissan without a key. Anyway, without going into details on that, I figured my alarm system wasn't enough. So, I have decided to install a switch between my fuel pump fuse and the fuel pump. Whenever I get out of the car, I'm going to cut off the switch. That way, if you don't switch it back on, you can crank it up, and only drive as far as the fuel that is in the line will take you (about 10 seconds). I think this is a good idea. Anyone have any disputes or comments on this as a security measure?

Sweet. Now I know how to steal your car ;)

[vqdreaming]

ya, like i said if your carrying your steering wheel around how is that any more work then carrying an ecu, its a lot easier to have a steering wheel with you if your going to be stealing cars anyways then to have an ecu

[andrew]

Lol, dude in the time its gonna take to pull kick panels and unmount an ECU, a theif would just club me and plug it in his damn self and go, lol.
well yeah, but if your constantly pulling your ecu, i personally wouldnt put everything back together. just leave it there, plugged, then unplug. good to go. taco bell style

[Wes]

ya, like i said if your carrying your steering wheel around how is that any more work then carrying an ecu, its a lot easier to have a steering wheel with you if your going to be stealing cars anyways then to have an ecu


the time it takes to take out an ECU and constantly plug it back in in alot longer than it takes to remove a quick release wheel.

[vqdreaming]

ok, but if your stealing cars and you know ppl are just pulling their steering wheels off would you not invest in buying a wheel?

[Wes]

ok, but if your stealing cars and you know ppl are just pulling their steering wheels off would you not invest in buying a wheel?

True, but after reading through Honda tech, I realized alot of theives out there bring ECU's with them.

Not to mention knowing my luck Id bent a pin on an ecu unplugging it and plugging it in everyday.

Id just rather mount a bunch of hidden switches, personally.

Or do a magnetic switch.

[andrew]

ok, but if your stealing cars and you know ppl are just pulling their steering wheels off would you not invest in buying a wheel?
thats the first mod i did to my 240. good'ol quick release!

[omgtofu]

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/31X9TdKgYrL._PA15,10,-10,10_.jpg
all you need bro

[vqdreaming]

good point


True, but after reading through Honda tech, I realized alot of theives out there bring ECU's with them.

Not to mention knowing my luck Id bent a pin on an ecu unplugging it and plugging it in everyday.

Id just rather mount a bunch of hidden switches, personally.

Or do a magnetic switch.

[Jorgen]

starter switch can be bypassed.
the most basic way would be a screw driver, if you can get to it.
i like the idea of a switch on the distributor.

[I RON DON KEY]

starter switch can be bypassed.
the most basic way would be a screw driver, if you can get to it.
i like the idea of a switch on the distributor.

the fuse?

[Jorgen]

i would do a switch somewhere where i could reach it. although a fuse/relay would work just as well.
especially if you had the ignition relay mod, which i plan to do eventually.

[I RON DON KEY]

I think flip has that one special lock thing where you have to scan some magnetic thing for the car to start up. it's put in some super secret place too.

[Jorgen]

what?
i want for information!
that is awesome!
i was thinking about doing a combination of switches in front of the shifter.

[SCato]

ive got a FP switch, a starter switch, and another that no one else knows about.

although any thief with a tow truck can steal your car.

[I RON DON KEY]

what?
i want for information!
that is awesome!
i was thinking about doing a combination of switches in front of the shifter.

yeah PM him

dude having a million switches would be so funny. imagine having to have them at a certain position in order for the car to work. haha

[Jorgen]

yes, but if that asshole comes with a tow truck, he deserves my car.
most idiots dont have a tow truck.

[rtrhead]

steal the intellikey system out of an inifinity. youl be able to have push start.
Wiring wise ithink just have a good ignition cut to an alarm would be more then adequate if you dont do everything perfect more then you igntion switch would have trouble .installed properly, alarms are a good deterrent , but as a preventative measure alrms are essentialy null. besides , whole car theft is whats in now anyway. insurance is always the best way to go and not putting ourself in a theft situation is your best prventative measure. this comes from installing alarms mself that experienced techs and thieves have issues even figuring out where any of the components are let alone bothering to disable it and bypass any kill fetures I have strewn through out th car.

[Wes]

I wanna set my shit up like Resident Evil.

Ya know, like, you have to find the red diamond in the trunk, place it in the statue in the glove box, and when the statue tips over, you wait for a knock, then you hit the switch that turns the lights on, flash them to trigger the other switch.

Like, crzy shit

[Casey]

the idea of carrying my steering wheel into class with me at southern poly sounds good.

ive got a few things im working on for theft prevention on the coupe.

[Iam99x]

I wanna set my shit up like Resident Evil.

Ya know, like, you have to find the red diamond in the trunk, place it in the statue in the glove box, and when the statue tips over, you wait for a knock, then you hit the switch that turns the lights on, flash them to trigger the other switch.

Like, crzy shit

Rofl. Then a guy pops out and is like, "What are ya buyin'?"...then you go like, "What are ya sellin'?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oXx0qwe0wc

[Andy C]

we need a trunk monkey for this.

im goin to get a quick release wheel.

[Neejay]

we need a trunk monkey for this.

im goin to get a quick release wheel.
Same.

[DjTechNick]

talk to flip. he was making/selling a setup that is designed for push button start, that is really cool. I'm not sure how much they were, but it is well worth it for that type of security.

[J Squared]

Watch out with fuel cut switches, if they short out and you lose fuel it can hurt things. Cutting power to the ignitor/dizzy is a better way to go.

[Memme]

Rig it up like Mad Max... Dyn-o-mite!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089/2919864121_3126aeebff_m.jpg

[Lonnie D]

personally I would not go advertising what measures I would use to keep theft deterred. If your alarm has a 2 way pager that would also help.

[Buccaneer_9]

http://unbrakeable.com/Unbreakable_Auto_BL.htm
http://www.vinetcher.com/
http://www.lojack.com/
http://www.the12volt.com/relays/page2.asp
http://www.kingtronic.tw/productsub1_caralarmpager.html
http://www.crimestopper.com/alarm05.htm

[v-empire]

flip makes a switch called a flip switch. its pretty neat little unstartable device, or may take someone a much longer time to figure it out.

or, i can also refer you to my friends who do my alarms and
electronics on my cars -VIP customs, for a good deal on electronic deterrent installs.

[Legoman]

i read this thread last night and i had a dream that i was at a party and somebody stole my engine? right out of the car...it was weird

[Memme]

The best security for a 240SX:

Visible rust
Mismatched/Bad paint/Broken bumpers
Stock wheels w/ 4 lug conversion
Stock ride height
Stock KA and stock exhaust
Cracked windshield
Messy interior/Stock Radio

Layering people... it's very important.

[I RON DON KEY]

The best security for a 240SX:

Visible rust
Mismatched/Bad paint/Broken bumpers
Stock wheels w/ 4 lug conversion
Stock ride height
Stock KA and stock exhaust
Cracked windshield
Messy interior/Stock Radio

Layering people... it's very important.

sounds like my shitty 240 lolz

[MOOREOFSTEPHEN]

so... I agree that is a great idea and most people with "track" cars have switches for that and other things on top of that.

BUT

If someone wants your car, they will get it no matter what LOL

PLUS

Its 2009... people have tow trucks like a 5th grader having candy on Halloween night. They don't give a rats ass about your quick relase hub or fuel pump cut. They will scoop the bitch up and be right along the path of FU*K YOU, I OWN YOU CAR FOR PARTS NOW SLUT.

[FlatWoodsMonster]

.


.......

[I RON DON KEY]

yeah, those tow trucks are pretty attainable now. hell you could have a ford f250 and get it towed.

[J Squared]

so... I agree that is a great idea and most people with "track" cars have switches for that and other things on top of that.

BUT

If someone wants your car, they will get it no matter what LOL

PLUS

Its 2009... people have tow trucks like a 5th grader having candy on Halloween night. They don't give a rats ass about your quick relase hub or fuel pump cut. They will scoop the bitch up and be right along the path of FU*K YOU, I OWN YOU CAR FOR PARTS NOW SLUT.

Full coverage FTW.

[Andy C]

i doubt insurance would pay for my sr, suspension and everythng that goes along with it.

[J Squared]

Ask Flip's roomie about added value coverage :goodjob:

[Andy C]

good idea.

added value=added cost.

i'll just keep praying

[BlackMage]

F1 style wheels,just pull off the one lugnut and leave your car on cinder blocks wherever you go.

[Memme]

Layering...

A thick layer of pollen, and dust, and some mud, bird shit... and removing layers of clear... and paint...

Oh... and layer on some bad tint on the windows... make sure it's full of distortion and bubbles.

[I RON DON KEY]

good idea.

added value=added cost.

i'll just keep praying

lol.

you keeep praying brah

[Memme]

Really though, preventing a car from being stolen is not nearly so important as to be able to track it in the event that it is stolen.

RFID ftw yo...

[iluvcumming]

For all of you driving S13s, if you change out your seatbelts to s14 seatbelts or any other non auto seatbelts, you have a few places to hide stuff. Above the window, and along the door on the bottom under the carpet. Easy place to put an alarm brain as well as a switch. Just figured I'd put that out.

[Stroker]

nobody is going to steal an s14 with a ka, ik you have suspension arms but the risk of stealing a car(a felony) isn't worth getting $300 in suspension shit
My S13 was stolen out of my company parking lot when it was completely stock.

[Memme]

My S13 was stolen out of my company parking lot when it was completely stock.

WOW... :screwy:

Was it clean as hell? Or particularly rare as far as the model?

Was this in the early 1990's?

[MOOREOFSTEPHEN]

My S13 was stolen out of my company parking lot when it was completely stock.

What company? That's kinda scary as well LOL

[Sir_Alexander_Slideways]

Rofl. Then a guy pops out and is like, "What are ya buyin'?"...then you go like, "What are ya sellin'?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oXx0qwe0wc

link ftw dude, shit made me lol. there other stuff is funny too.

[afwfjustin]

i doubt insurance would pay for my sr, suspension and everythng that goes along with it.

Yeah... I'm about to add the full $4000 or $5000 added coverage to my insurance (the most Progressive allows) which should make my car worth about 9K. It has more than that in it but it's not like I can tell them I have a Skyline engine :)

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I've gone through total theft - it sucks. During the January 05 ice storm (who remembers that?) I got into an accident on 285. I had a black 2000 Civic Si with Volk TE37's, Koni shocks, Eibach springs, just put in a new ACT clutch kit and Dunlop SP9000's...

The body shop that fixed my car also stole it. They copied my key and found my address on my registration card (I should have known - all my paperwork and CD's were out of order when I got the car back) and came two weeks after I got my car back and just drove it off like it was theirs.

I only got an extra 1000 for the performance parts (they were being nice) and they gave me 'market value' for my car, not the KBB (my car was in EXCELLENT condition - the thing was mint).

Getting a car stolen sucks, and I hope people that steal cars die of colon cancer.

[Donny1298]

Lojack...And hope they have not parted your car parts before the cops will notify the company to activate the Lojack..lol

[Infinite]

i find a gun works best

[zakkkaliscious]

i find a gun works best

yup especially if your car is super loud, grab gun and run out the front door before they are out of the drive way.

[Infinite]

a garage is a great thing too
considering i live in the basement i hear everything that goes on
and if someone is dumb enough to try and break in my garage, i have 7 very loud large dogs and one rottweiler that would eat their feet off

[240sxautox]

Flip did a really nice writeup on either a ignition or fuel pump kill switch setup....... It's on here.

[deucefawty]

I just wired mine in today. I put a false switch in plain sight, that does nothing, and hid the real switch. I've even got wires running to ground on the fake switch, so that if they wanted to try and trace it down, it would lead them to nothing. Easy money...I don't think so. I'll post pictures tomorrow. After I take them. But I'm not giving away the location of the real switch.

[s14unimog]

I agree with whom ever is concerned about a tow truck. My answer to that, are hills, to prevent wheel dollies, and positioning the car in a way that a truck can't easily back up to it. Think about it, If they cannot situate themselves quick enough to tow it, then its not going to happen; at least that way. I use a quick release but I turn the wheel over to the farthest lock, once the car is off and PS pressure is gone, then remove the wheel. Without the leverage of the wheel, there is an immense amount of pressure on the key mechanism. I'm not saying that is full proof, but in layers with other "obstacles" it gives an extra bonus to just removing your steering wheel.

[AFSil80]

Dude, you live in Warner Robins. There is hardly any automotive theft here, although I'm sure there's more on the northside of town.

I leave my 240 parked in most parking lots with the windows down and the doors unlocked around town. Hell, I drove around for months without a hood on the car.

[whatever210]

i want a push start button

[Jorgen]

I was thinking about doing a fuel pump fuse, and use that as a switch.
Just take the fuse with me.
Odds are, you'd have to be clever to figure that out.

[robatlanta]

I think flip has that one special lock thing where you have to scan some magnetic thing for the car to start up. it's put in some super secret place too.


immobilizer?

[rb25dan]

we need a trunk monkey for this.

im goin to get a quick release wheel.





yes! Trunk Monkey!

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[atowndrver1]

If they want the car they will get it sooner or later... Sucks that people ahve to be that way though... they should work for sh!t

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[GTFan712]

Quick-Release wheel is the most popular, but the Fuel Pump switch is a pretty good idea, but it'd be a pain. You forget to turn it back on, and then you'll be driving for 10 seconds. A QR wheel you couldn't forget about.

-GT

[DJMerck]

Never more than 100' away from my vert, alarm w/ pager, Glock 27 "carry gun" 9 hydroshock's and b.u. 15 rd mag, AR-15 w/ADT is home alarm...... My wife carries a .40 and my 10 year old shoots JR IDPA...lol All BS aside I just won't park my car ANYWHERE if I can't see it or get to it in a few steps, I'll drive till i find a place or come back later, gives me a reason to drive more....If you can see my vert I can see you!,,, My view just has crosshairs....

[deucefawty]

LOLz. I'm strapped too, but them boys can jack a car in under a minute...hell it takes longer than that for me to piss sometimes.

[Casey]

fuel injector

spark plug

careful aiming. ^_^ done ! lol

[dbaev]

I've gone through total theft - it sucks. During the January 05 ice storm (who remembers that?) I got into an accident on 285. I had a black 2000 Civic Si with Volk TE37's, Koni shocks, Eibach springs, just put in a new ACT clutch kit and Dunlop SP9000's...

The body shop that fixed my car also stole it. They copied my key and found my address on my registration card (I should have known - all my paperwork and CD's were out of order when I got the car back) and came two weeks after I got my car back and just drove it off like it was theirs.

I only got an extra 1000 for the performance parts (they were being nice) and they gave me 'market value' for my car, not the KBB (my car was in EXCELLENT condition - the thing was mint).

Getting a car stolen sucks, and I hope people that steal cars die of colon cancer.

Did you go back to that shop to cut their vocal cords off?
This thread has me scared to even leave my car alone now, i locked me keys in the car the other day and it took me less than a min. to unlock the door with a hanger.

[PLAY]

killer bees.

[J Squared]

Please dont do fuel cutoffs, its a great way to kill your motor. Do an ignition cutoff instead.

[kija]

im just going to put a fingerprint scanner in my car and if it isnt my finger that is scanned then the car initiates the self destruct mecanism... if i cant have my car then noone can!!!

[BlackMage]

relay the 12v acc to a c4 detonator with some c4. the switch isn't turned off and BOOM!

Just always, always remember to turn it off.

[Seedlessone]

im just going to put a fingerprint scanner in my car and if it isnt my finger that is scanned then the car initiates the self destruct mecanism... if i cant have my car then noone can!!!Where can I find one of these?

[JDMS(e)X]

luckily there isnt much car theft in valdosta sadly though at the same time there isnt much of anything in valdosta. but i still have a viper 2 way alarm and ignition cutoff. saved my car in tampa durring H.I.N. like 2 months ago.

[Trap Star]

Where can I find one of these?

IBM laptops??

[ava_z32]

anybody with a steering wheel club...i hope you realize steering wheels are flimsy and designed to break in case your skull should contact it in an accident. any thief with a hack saw could have a club out of the way in about fifteen seconds or less.

i think somebody linked it earlier, but the club that attaches to your break pedal seems like the safest and easiest bet to me. it puts potential thieves in an awkward position trying to get to it and it's virtually indestructible from what i've read.

[AE86GUY]

I dunno about everyone else, but my alarm is physically spliced into my starter wire. You can pull out the alarm and wiring (if you can find it under the dash), but you're still not getting that b!tch started with the starter solenoid wire cut in half. Fuel pump cutout is a good idea, though. Even better if it's hidden.

[FlatWoodsMonster]

I dunno about everyone else, but my alarm is physically spliced into my starter wire. You can pull out the alarm and wiring (if you can find it under the dash), but you're still not getting that b!tch started with the starter solenoid wire cut in half. Fuel pump cutout is a good idea, though. Even better if it's hidden.

thanx for lettin me know

[J Squared]

No shit right? hahaha

[dhumps]

there was a kid in new mexico that drove an el camino. he heard about people stealing older cars and driving them across the boarder to mexico. so he wired a switch under his seat that connected his distributor to wires placed in his driver seat. if u didnt flick the switch you would recieve all the voltage from the distributor. sad to say a guy tried to steal his car and it killed him. the kid faced charges of a booby trap and murder but im pretty sure he got out of it.

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anybody with a steering wheel club...i hope you realize steering wheels are flimsy and designed to break in case your skull should contact it in an accident.

lol you ever tried to break a steering wheel? they are everything but flimsy

[J Squared]

That El Camino story sounds like BS. Unless the dude had someone else hotwiring the starter why would he keep cranking it while being electrocuted?

[AmplifiedSilence]

its true, just cause a car may look like a beater, it doesn't necessarily mean they won't steal it. my cousins little civic was stolen about a week ago by pleasant hill in Lilburn and it sure wasn't that pretty. all they stole were the 16" aftermarket rims and a Sony head unit. what I find retarded is that you still got to pay the wrecker service for keeping and towing the car when they find it. she had to pay over $200 just to get her STOLEN car back...:screwy:

oh and they also stole "one" wheel off of my uncle's car. just one! and he lives in a community!

[Howard]

The bast theft deterrent is a stock 240 with some of them randomly placed Pep Boys flames on the doors. Nobody wants that carp.

[s7_]

I have a flamethrower kit too when you touch the door and you aren't the owner of the car it will instantly set you on fire.