Roll Cage

[Shane]

Anyone know of good place that makes roll cages? And whats the average price for good comp ready roll cage?

[~The_Duke~]

Kyle @ lethal injection motorsports.

[xXxJohnnyxXx]

if you have a welder, time, bars, and someone with knowledge, you can do it yourself.

[The Marty]

Expect to pay at least $1500 and up.

[xXxJohnnyxXx]

Expect to pay at least $1500 and up.

would that be for kyle at Lethal to do it??

[The Marty]

yep

[xXxJohnnyxXx]

dangggggg
well you get what you pay for and ive seen some of his welding and it is amazing.

[The Marty]

THIS SHIT IS NOT A JOKE


in motherfucking caps

[MOOREOFSTEPHEN]

Yes you pay veddy veddy much for it! its not a chop and paste thing.

Talk to Kyle at lethal for sure... PM me if you need his number or shop number.

Good luck

[xXxJohnnyxXx]

for sure.

[Shane]

OK 1,500+ was what i had thought. Thanks alot guys

[vqdreaming]

just have to get it installed
http://www.swracecars.com/store/10-Point-Roll-Cage-OSCARItem_24=11-5594TD.aspx

this is under $300

[Casey]

custom weld in > bolt in shit

but yes, cages are expensive you get what you pay for

[Nick Jeezy]

i just got a cage from kyle. shits not a joke. it fits great and it has foot protection, has crushboxs, and ladder style door bars.

its nice.

[MOOREOFSTEPHEN]

hes ready to rock in roll hes giving kyle a call

[Howard]

just have to get it installed
http://www.swracecars.com/store/10-Point-Roll-Cage-OSCARItem_24=11-5594TD.aspx

this is under $300

WTF is EWS tubing? I googled it and all I found was other people posting thier WTF questions on it. I e mailed the people in the advertisement to see what they say it is and if it is accepted by any sanctioning bodied.

$300 compared to $1500 sounds good but in a crash which one do you want in your car.
Cages are not for looks or bragging rights, they are there to save your LIFE!
Save money elsewhere, get a good cage!

[vqdreaming]

s&w cages arent cheap quality parts btw

[Shiri Juu Atenza]

But what is EWS tubing?????

[vqdreaming]

google wins once again
http://www.millerwelds.com/resources/communities/mboard/showthread.php?t=7877

[The Marty]

When you pay for a cage, you're not paying for the materials, you're paying for the fabrication.

Let's say materials cost $600. Now, the average labor rate in Atlanta is $100/hr. Let's say the fabricator hustles and gets it done in 10 hours (not likely). That's $1000.

$1000 + $600 = $1600

[Nick Jeezy]

btw s&w doesnt have 2 bar door bars. so it doesnt even pass. with out you adding a extra door bar.

[bigrain]

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[TurboDave]

I'm doing a special for the month of April and May. I will weld your roll cage in for $75.00 a point ( That's around $600.00 for 8 point ) . If you need a custom cage I will do them for $1500.00 some exceptions may apply.

[RHDS13]

Turbo Dave is a great fabricator but i have to rep my brother kyle at lethal he is working his ass off day and night getting people taken care of hes doing my jungle gym cage right now ill post pics once its complete. Yaaaayyy Lethal fabrication FTMFW

[Elizabeth Reed]

turbo dave up in this bitch!! i've seen some of his cages and they are badass

kyles cages are great too ive seen the one in seans red hatch and flips car

[RHDS13]

turbo dave did flips cage if u didnt know

[Elizabeth Reed]

i obviously didnt

[Nick Jeezy]

kyle did my new one.

[EuroSoul7]

When you pay for a cage, you're not paying for the materials, you're paying for the fabrication.

Let's say materials cost $600. Now, the average labor rate in Atlanta is $100/hr. Let's say the fabricator hustles and gets it done in 10 hours (not likely). That's $1000.

$1000 + $600 = $1600

I am sorry, but when did the price of circlular tubing go up that much? 600 for materials? LOL, I spent 320 and rebuilt a 22x8 feet section of my dock with gusset plates. Thats way too expensive for steel.



I'm doing a special for the month of April and May. I will weld your roll cage in for $75.00 a point ( That's around $600.00 for 8 point ) . If you need a custom cage I will do them for $1500.00 some exceptions may apply.

And thats a good deal, well priced but still plenty of money made by the fabricator.

[Nick Jeezy]

so you made your dock... out of DOM?

[Cameron.]

you can get materials pre notched and bent 1 3/4 x .120 DOM Mild Steel for 500 bucks from S&W for a 10 pt. so 600's not too far off...

[Howard]

google wins once again
http://www.millerwelds.com/resources/communities/mboard/showthread.php?t=7877

Did you read it? Just a bunch of guys who really know metal saying wtf is ews tubing. Some speculation but no definitive answers.
I still havent heard back from S & w about the ews tubing

Google Fail http://240atlanta.com/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif

[TurboDave]

In the past I would spend around 600 to 800 for all materials for building cages and the basic price was 1800 up to 2500 for a cage (the amount of time involved I wanted at least 1200 to 1800 for labor ). I now have a better cheaper place to get materials from now. I have faster ways of building them now (labor time goes down).

(ews tubing) As many S&W roll bars and cages I have done it's mild steel.

If it has WS anything its fused/weld SEAMED pipe.

[Howard]

you da man!

[RHDS13]

i would never buy a s&w cage they dont look very safe even with the right welder they dont fet very good either what is it legal for anyways anything?

[TurboDave]

Drag Racing allows mild steel for almost all classes.

[RHDS13]

so s&w isnt scca certified or nasa?

[Cameron.]

^ wow. them looking safe is based all upon the skill of the welder. you cant just look at a quality piece of DOM steel before install and say that doesnt look safe compared to another piece. SW has been in business for like 30 years im sure they know what they are doing.. they can build you a cage anyway you want it. it may cost a little more, but thats the same with anything.

george you dont know what your talking about lol.

[RHDS13]

ive seen their cages and they just dont look good idc how long they have been around a custom cage is always better for your car than a pre fabricated cage

[Cameron.]

LOL at that statement.


George any Weld in cage is custom. WOW. they bend/notch theirs in house. they are no different than what your brother does. and i realize you think there is no other option than your brothers business, but they are the same as your brother...

what doesnt look good about them? lets put you to the test.


they arent pre fabbed. you still have to fit, and weld them in. hence why i said the quality/safeness is all upon the skill of the welder..

[RHDS13]

the only thing that isnt good that i dont like is the fact the it doesnt fit tight to the body of the car that is a must for a safe cage chris has a s&w cage and his does fit very tight to the body also. the door bars are horrible what are those cages certified for ? anything

[Cameron.]

oh and dimensions are dimensions they wont vary from s13 to s13, so if they have the dimensions of an s13 they can bend and cut each bar accordingly.

[RHDS13]

well from what i can see SW cages design doesnt look right either every cage i have ever seen that has the outside sections of the halo going down in the dash straight from the main hood SW cage has a loop back for the halo and the bars for the dash are welded to the loop back hoop aka halo. Every cage i have ever seen has the bar from the hoop going along the outside of the halo then through the dash they have all had that so i could be wrong but heres pics look at the halo on the SW Cage versus alot of different cages.

SW Cage
http://www.swracecars.com/store/images/cart/CAGEnewHC.JPG

Autopower
http://www.bergmanracingsupply.com/store/images/U-Weld%20Front%20Cage%20Kit.jpg

Safety 21
http://www.slmotorsport.com/images/carpics/aboutcar/Rollcage21.jpg

Cusco cage
http://image.sportcompactcarweb.com/f/9329260/0706_sccp_352z+performance_buyers_guide+roll_cage. jpg

Custom Cage
http://www.izzyscustomcages.com/images/CustCars/Nissan/Drift240/SR_S1352.JPG
http://www.izzyscustomcages.com/images/CustCars/Nissan/Drift240/SR_S1353.JPG

[Shane]

What are the specs for most of the events around the area?

[Wes]

Holler at Jason, he works next door to me.

I usually see FD's and Bimmers in there, cool guy, and does some awesome cages.

http://tubularfab.com/

[TurboDave]

Most out of the box roll bars kits were made to be mig welded thats why they don't fit tight in the car, If they did you can't weld all the way around the bar.

There are two ways to do the front down bars and halo, Bottom to main hoop with a cross bar in the middle close to windsheild, and a halo as close to windsheld with two down bars going to floor.

A custom cage for your car with DOM pipe is the best way to go (NO LIMITS AND NO PROBLEMS)

[Shane]

I have a 1995 s14. Just want what i need to be safe and be legal for comps

[The Marty]

How many drift events have you done? If it's less than 10 you don't need a cage.

[s7_]

I've seen bolt in cages, they're a waste of money, they don't hug the body of the car at all. Weld in is the only way.

[RHDS13]

I've seen bolt in cages, they're a waste of money, they don't hug the body of the car at all. Weld in is the only way.

listen to you mike bolt in cages are the only ones that fit good other than custom look at the one i had in my coupe.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q246/atlguy5039/DSC01120.jpg
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q246/atlguy5039/DSC01122.jpg

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How many drift events have you done? If it's less than 10 you don't need a cage.

Marty's right if its under 10 save your money buy some suspension parts

[s7_]

there's gap inbetween certain areas, look at the door dude lol. i'm talking about IN the dash, cutting into the dash and stuff getting as close to the body as possible, for fitment. they do get close but not close enough I don't think. I don't trust bolt-in cages.

[Slambarsoldier]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/Fitkid04/mainhoop.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/Fitkid04/passengernascar.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/Fitkid04/passmainhoop.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/Fitkid04/floorplate.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/Fitkid04/doorbars.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/Fitkid04/rearbar.jpg

[hks4life]

what cage is that?

[The Marty]

Looks custom to me

[JTA021]

def custom

[Slambarsoldier]

DCW custom cage. dood gets down.

[Shane]

OK aslong as i dont need one to enter i wont waste that cash. Ill spend it on a new Diff suspension is set besides some minor stuff

[2isbetterthan4]

Damn, this thread got serious. haha. Dave is right. DOM is the safest most universal tubingfor cages. ERW is electronic resistance welded, and not allowed in SCCA, and Formula D/D1 if i remember. They are also getting away from chromoly in SCCA, NASA, Drift,ect. because so many welders werent doing it correctly( post heat treat, correct filler metal, etc) and cages were cracking before the car even was wrecked. The S&W cages are DOM, but they are bent, NOT notched.

A substancial amount of the money does go to labor cause thats what a cage is. I can bend the tubes i need for a cage in 45 min. if i am lazy. Its the fitting/ notching, and welding that takes the most time. Dave can vouch for me on this as well is that TIGing a cage takes a bit longer than MIG. However i wont do it any other way. When it comes to safety, i just dont trust MIG.

If you get a custom one please go to someone who TIG's their cages and knows what they are doing. You have to trust your life that that cage wont fail when you need it most. The only other person i would trust to build a cage for me besides myself is Turbodave :goodjob:


Hope this answers your questions and doubts.

kyle

[Shane]

I have been recommended to use you by MOOREOFSTEPHEN. From the sound of it you know ur shit. When it comes time to get a cage you will be hearing from me for sure.

[Slambarsoldier]

sometimes, people make metal get hot and melt onto other metal and it makes that metal stick to other peices of metal. Sometimes people get reall siked on meltin metal and makin metal stick to other peices of metal inside a car and get like real siked and post on the internet about it. Then other people talk about metal gettin hot and stickin to metal inside cars.

[2isbetterthan4]

^sorry i enjoy my job, and like to be informed. Since it is what i do for a living i try to somewhat know what i am talking about. You would be pissed if you paid for a cage to be legal and it not get passed at tech. I try to only post info on things i am sure about, this and painting. But yes i do get excited cause i enjoy it.:wave:

[flip]

Both 2isbetterthan4 (Kyle) and TurboDave know what they're talking about and build top quality cages... Listen to what they have to say...

[Nick Jeezy]

^sorry i enjoy my job, and like to be informed. Since it is what i do for a living i try to somewhat know what i am talking about. You would be pissed if you paid for a cage to be legal and it not get passed at tech. I try to only post info on things i am sure about, this and painting. But yes i do get excited cause i enjoy it.:wave:

no shit

[Batlground Motorsports]

For a dom tig welded 8 point, gussetted cage with dimple die gussets, rear horizontal crossbar between the 2 rear mounting points, front horizantal dash bar between the 2 front down tubes, x rear bars, and kicked out nascar bars $2750 is a good deal.

For no gussets, no doorbar, no horizontal bar between the 2 rear mounting points and just a simple door bar $1500 is a good price.

We use Drawn Over Mandrel tubing, DOM, for cages. We dont give the option for anything else because all the sanctioning bodies are moving over to it rather than chromoly. DOM is stronger than welded tubing. It is of course, mild steel. Most rules are not going to allow chromoly any longer because they say its brittle. I dont believe it is any less safe but I dont write the rules. We only tig weld cages. Sanctioning bodies will give you a hard time if it is mig welded. It will most likely get passed but they like tig and its just not worth the chance. We are talking about your safety here so dont be cheap.

[Cameron.]

Marty's right if its under 10 save your money buy some suspension parts


arent you still under 10?

>.> jus sayin.

[Wayne]

Another good place is from Josh Melton at PFM engineering.

[FlatWoodsMonster]

cage im putting in my car 200 point bitch

http://www.petsplace.com.my/images/cage3x2x2.jpg

[scoob.]

^awesome.

[Cloudy-G]

cage im putting in my car 200 point bitch

http://www.petsplace.com.my/images/cage3x2x2.jpg

cant mess with that.... lol

[AFSil80]

We are talking about your safety here so dont be cheap.


We are talking about your safety here so dont be cheap.


We are talking about your safety here so dont be cheap.


We are talking about your safety here so dont be cheap.


We are talking about your safety here so dont be cheap.


We are talking about your safety here so dont be cheap.


We are talking about your safety here so dont be cheap.


We are talking about your safety here so dont be cheap.


We are talking about your safety here so dont be cheap.


We are talking about your safety here so dont be cheap.


We are talking about your safety here so dont be cheap.


We are talking about your safety here so dont be cheap.


We are talking about your safety here so dont be cheap.


We are talking about your safety here so dont be cheap.

If anyone reading this thread learns only ONE thing, I hope it is this.

[Shane]

If anyone reading this thread learns only ONE thing, I hope it is this.
He really really means this :)