F obama

[s7_]

FUCK OBAMA

economic stimulus my ass, good job asshat. please give the poor lazy ass mother fuckers who don't work free money. thanks thanks thanks, and fuck you.


sincerely,
me.

[Andy C]

Dear obama,

thank you for giving me free money.

i sit on my ass at home all day playing video games that tax payers bought me.

this life is great.

sincerely

moochers

[Z infidel]

Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters,
We've stuck together since the late 1950s, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know that we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and just will not ever agree on what's right. So let's just end it right now while we can do it on friendly terms. We can smile, shake hands, chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and each go our own way.

So here's a model separation agreement.

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by land mass, each taking a portion. That's going to be the difficult part, but I'm sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy. Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate taste. We don't like redistributive taxes so you can have those. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. And since you hate guns and you hate war, we'll take the firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell. But you are going to be responsible for finding a biodiesel vehicle big enough to haul them around.

We'll keep the capitalism, the greedy corporations, the pharmaceutical companies; we will keep Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have the homeless, the homeboys, the hippies and illegal aliens. We will keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, the greedy CEOS and all of the rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and we'll let you have NBC and Hollywood.

You can be nice to Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer anybody that threatens us. You can have the peaceniks and the war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we will provide them with security. You won't have to worry about it. We will keep our Judeo-Christian values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley Maclaine. You can also have the UN, but we will no longer pay the bill.

We will keep the SUVs, the pickup trucks and the oversize luxury cars. You can have the compacts, the subcompacts and every Subaru station wagon you can find. You can give everybody healthcare, if you can find any practicing doctors. We will continue to believe that healthcare is a privilege and not a right. We will keep "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the national anthem, and I am sure you will be happy to substitute in their place "Imagine." I'd like to teach the world to sing "Kumbaya" or "We are the world." We will practice trickle-down economics and you can give trickle-up poverty your best shot. And since it so offends you, we will keep our history, our name and our flag.

Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along other like-minded liberal and conservative patriots. And if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the friendly spirit of parting, I'll bet you ANWAR which one of us will need whose help in about 15 years.
Sincerely,

Me.

[Neejay]

o, hie.

[j.le]

:goodjob: @ the people who voted for the idiot in the white house!

[Andy C]

z infidel. i love it.

reps

[Tire]

Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters,
We've stuck together since the late 1950s, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know that we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and just will not ever agree on what's right. So let's just end it right now while we can do it on friendly terms. We can smile, shake hands, chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and each go our own way.

So here's a model separation agreement.

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by land mass, each taking a portion. That's going to be the difficult part, but I'm sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy. Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate taste. We don't like redistributive taxes so you can have those. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. And since you hate guns and you hate war, we'll take the firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell. But you are going to be responsible for finding a biodiesel vehicle big enough to haul them around.

We'll keep the capitalism, the greedy corporations, the pharmaceutical companies; we will keep Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have the homeless, the homeboys, the hippies and illegal aliens. We will keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, the greedy CEOS and all of the rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and we'll let you have NBC and Hollywood.

You can be nice to Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer anybody that threatens us. You can have the peaceniks and the war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we will provide them with security. You won't have to worry about it. We will keep our Judeo-Christian values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley Maclaine. You can also have the UN, but we will no longer pay the bill.

We will keep the SUVs, the pickup trucks and the oversize luxury cars. You can have the compacts, the subcompacts and every Subaru station wagon you can find. You can give everybody healthcare, if you can find any practicing doctors. We will continue to believe that healthcare is a privilege and not a right. We will keep "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the national anthem, and I am sure you will be happy to substitute in their place "Imagine." I'd like to teach the world to sing "Kumbaya" or "We are the world." We will practice trickle-down economics and you can give trickle-up poverty your best shot. And since it so offends you, we will keep our history, our name and our flag.

Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along other like-minded liberal and conservative patriots. And if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the friendly spirit of parting, I'll bet you ANWAR which one of us will need whose help in about 15 years.
Sincerely,

Me.

lol i cant believe i just read that whole thing... pretty cool haha

[Z infidel]

F democraps in the pooper.

[Elizabeth Reed]

I heard he doesn't like white people

[Tracey]

I need to get on food stamps and shit so I can get free money.

[Elizabeth Reed]

I heard he was gay

[Tracey]

I heard he takes it in the ass from everyone in Washington.

[Elizabeth Reed]

I heard whinning about the economy doesn't make it better

[Memme]

z infidel. i love it.

reps


QFT x 2 REPS

[Tracey]

I don't really see it as complaining. I see it as I'm sitting here watching the economy go to shit and I'm watching a president with a horrible plan to fix it.

[J Squared]

I heard whinning about the economy doesn't make it better

I heard making threads on the internet is a great stimulus plan

[v-empire]

I heard making threads on the internet is a great stimulus plan

madonna sucks!

[Tracey]

How come the American people aren't allowed to vote on issues such as the bail out plan?

[Elizabeth Reed]

Oh well, no use is crying over spilt milk


I heard making threads on the internet is a great stimulus plan

Doy! Who needs washington anymore? America has 240atlanta for their financial advisors

[Tracey]

Oh well, no use is crying over spilt milk



Doy! Who needs washington anymore? America has 240atlanta for their financial advisors

DUH! There are a select few of us on 240atl that are financial advisors.

[Z infidel]

Obama fixes our economy like "pillow pants the vagina troll" prevents pregnancy. Obama is to the economy as a chimp is to a woman's face.

[blue_lude]

oh hay!

obama sucks! this plan is a joke

[Neejay]

i heard whinning about the economy doesn't make it better
lol.

[Iam99x]

Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters,
We've stuck together since the late 1950s, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know that we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and just will not ever agree on what's right. So let's just end it right now while we can do it on friendly terms. We can smile, shake hands, chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and each go our own way.

So here's a model separation agreement.

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by land mass, each taking a portion. That's going to be the difficult part, but I'm sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy. Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate taste. We don't like redistributive taxes so you can have those. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. And since you hate guns and you hate war, we'll take the firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell. But you are going to be responsible for finding a biodiesel vehicle big enough to haul them around.

We'll keep the capitalism, the greedy corporations, the pharmaceutical companies; we will keep Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have the homeless, the homeboys, the hippies and illegal aliens. We will keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, the greedy CEOS and all of the rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and we'll let you have NBC and Hollywood.

You can be nice to Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer anybody that threatens us. You can have the peaceniks and the war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we will provide them with security. You won't have to worry about it. We will keep our Judeo-Christian values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley Maclaine. You can also have the UN, but we will no longer pay the bill.

We will keep the SUVs, the pickup trucks and the oversize luxury cars. You can have the compacts, the subcompacts and every Subaru station wagon you can find. You can give everybody healthcare, if you can find any practicing doctors. We will continue to believe that healthcare is a privilege and not a right. We will keep "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the national anthem, and I am sure you will be happy to substitute in their place "Imagine." I'd like to teach the world to sing "Kumbaya" or "We are the world." We will practice trickle-down economics and you can give trickle-up poverty your best shot. And since it so offends you, we will keep our history, our name and our flag.

Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along other like-minded liberal and conservative patriots. And if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the friendly spirit of parting, I'll bet you ANWAR which one of us will need whose help in about 15 years.
Sincerely,

John J. Wall
Law Student and an American

Fixed.

You didn't type that.

http://current.com/items/89808318/dear_american_liberals_leftists_social_progressive s_socialists_marxists_obama_supporters.htm

[J Squared]

Economy Stimulus Tax Inflator

I drive a Chevrolet movie theater.

[s7_]

Economy Stimulus Tax Inflator

I drive a Chevrolet movie theater.

Wanna go see watchmen tonite?

[J Squared]

Cant, Im gonna go get dranks some where :( Wanna go?

[v-empire]

best stimulus is some drinking and some bumpin'

[J Squared]

For real! ^

[Jorgen]

I've gone off the deep end with conspiracies.
There will probably be a North American Union, and the U.N. will probably soon be a world government. Obama is an idiot. Our government's continued stupidity and the Mainstream media turning a blind eye has sent me to look for news from people that wear foil hats.

[Boosted240]

1. Bush is responsible for the economy in the first place.
2. Obama isnt any better, how do you change with Bush/Clinton staff in your cabinet?
3. Both parties are out to F U in the A
4. Just one more step in the US becoming a socialist state.

[Z infidel]

Fixed.

You didn't type that.

http://current.com/items/89808318/dear_american_liberals_leftists_social_progressive s_socialists_marxists_obama_supporters.htm

Never said I did. I stole the shit out of it.

[Elizabeth Reed]

Y'all should run for office since y'all have such great plans

[doctorsars]

Y'all should run for office since y'all have such great plans
This.

But in Mike's case, shit really sucks.

[Elizabeth Reed]

I can see it now

"My first plan of action is to make street drifting legal for everyone!!! Go america!"

[Iam99x]

Never said I did. I stole the shit out of it.

Lol

[Jorgen]

1. Bush is responsible for the economy in the first place.
2. Obama isnt any better, how do you change with Bush/Clinton staff in your cabinet?
3. Both parties are out to F U in the A
4. Just one more step in the US becoming a socialist state.

Actually I think it was Clinton that started this whole mess of 'Its OK if you can't afford a house, were gonna hook you up with one anyways.' Bush cut taxes. That was good. But then we went to war... that was expensive.

[Boosted240]

If our country wasnt run by corporate greed then we wouldnt be in this situation in the first place. Our country's biggest exports are jobs and cash now.

[Jorgen]

If our country wasnt run by corporate greed then we wouldnt be in this situation in the first place. Our country's biggest exports are jobs and cash now.

Correction: paper. Cash might imply value.

[Z infidel]

If our country wasnt run by corporate greed then we wouldnt be in this situation in the first place. Our country's biggest exports are jobs and cash now.

That and ignorance but after reading this I think a lot is staying here.:lmfao:

[Boosted240]

Correction: paper. Cash might imply value.
exactly, since they print it like its going out of style

[Jorgen]

Greed is good for our economy. It drives capitalism. Regulation is good to though. Nobody is regulating our government. Thats bad.

[~The_Duke~]

FUCK OBAMA

economic stimulus my ass, good job asshat. please give the poor lazy ass mother fuckers who don't work free money. thanks thanks thanks, and fuck you.


sincerely,
me.


Can I tell the liberal fucks "I told you so yet"?

[Boosted240]

That and ignorance but after reading this I think a lot is staying here.:lmfao:
please, corporations have been shipping jobs overseas for years.
There is no incentive for corporations to stay in the US with the taxes.

[~The_Duke~]

The tags are a load of shit for the most part, it is carter\clinton's fault.

[Z infidel]

please, corporations have been shipping jobs overseas for years.
There is no incentive for corporations to stay in the US with the taxes.

Who raises taxes here? Liberals. Who caused theres companies to seek labor overseas? Something tells me liberals are a big part of that.


The tags are a load of shit for the most part, it is carter\clinton's fault.

This man is dead on it. For the most part republicans are good for the economy, look at Reagan.

[Elizabeth Reed]

I can agree on the thing about jobs shipping overseas. We have lost a decent amount of customers over the past 5-10 years due to the fact that machinists in china/japan don't get paid shit and the owners do the work for a lot less than we would. But it hasn't hurt us that much

[Boosted240]

Who raises taxes here? Liberals. Who caused theres companies to seek labor overseas? Something tells me liberals are a big part of that.
Im not a Democrat or Republican.
Both parties had a hand in that.
I mean look at it like this, why would a big corporation hire someone in the US for 30k a year, when they can pay someone in India 15k for the same job? Added with the taxes here, the corporations have no reason to anything but sell products here. When you dont export anything to get money back that is a problem.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1844547,00.html

[Z infidel]

^I dont disagree with the cheap labor lure but libs and taxes have killed things for US industries.

[Boosted240]

^I dont disagree with the cheap labor lure but libs and taxes have killed things for US industries.
Like I said i dont trust Liberals or Conservatives
Why didnt Bush change things?? He had 8 years and we were steadily shipping jobs overseas.
Money talks whether Liberal or Conervative, and corporate lobbyists have it.............

[scoob.]

i wonder how many hypocratic liberal people are on here that use to be all for obama.
but now absolutly hate him..?

[jphibbs]

I've read six pages of people bitching about the stimulus, but I haven't heard anyone propose a solution.

I'm not totally enthusiastic about it, but something has to be done. Should we just cut taxes some more? That's worked out fucking fantastic for the last eight years.

[Tracey]

I'll run for president when I'm old enough to. Just watch.

[~The_Duke~]

I'll run for president when I'm old enough to. Just watch.
I'd vote for you.

[AFSil80]

I'll run for president when I'm old enough to. Just watch.

Better not let those nude pics surface. That might hurt your political career. Although, those pics of you and Iawa will most CERTAINLY end your career.

[S13coupe]

i dont give a shit aslong he gives me money!!!!

[AFSil80]

i dont give a shit aslong he gives me money!!!!

This is what's wrong with America. Get off the Kool-Aid, son.

[slideways]

reps to z z infidel

and yeah dont get me started about the democrats i cant believe obama's campaign fooled that many ppl. great job you guys change is coming alright and i hope you enjoy it

[_yoshi]

obama 08

[v-empire]

the man has been in office for only 39 days and all of a sudden all our problem is his fault. lol..

wow, so logical.

GWB made him win, not his campaign. if he was a republican he wouldn't have stood a chance anyway you look at it.

dont matter who is in office, but it sure is nice to know its makes us feel good to blame someone..

i blame baby jesus.

[afwfjustin]

^dude - he's spending more money (that was never even in existence) than a Jewish housewife at the mall. It's ridiculous. And everything it's being spent on is ridiculous (yes an exaggeration but you get the point). I have been an anti-liberal capitalist libertarian for years and I'm proud that I didn't jump on the "yes we can" bandwagon. Socialist weasels.

Remember the "Not my president" shirts with Bush's face on them? I'm going to make some with Obama's face on them and see how people react. It'll really piss off the Little 5 Points hippie crowd which is what I love doing :)

Who wants one?

[Uncle Dat]

Actually I think it was Clinton that started this whole mess of 'Its OK if you can't afford a house, were gonna hook you up with one anyways.' Bush cut taxes. That was good. But then we went to war... that was expensive.


Correct!! Like it or not it's fact. Just look through history and you will see Clinton's fail move. I still don't know why people love Clinton so much and think "it's Bush fault"; pure raw fail. I'm not blaming Obama for anything but this stimulus plan is a horrible idea. Instead of being so happy with the extra money in your pocket ask yourself where the hell do you think we get that money from?This will get us deeper into that hole we buried ourselves in.

[Jorgen]

I've read six pages of people bitching about the stimulus, but I haven't heard anyone propose a solution.

I'm not totally enthusiastic about it, but something has to be done. Should we just cut taxes some more? That's worked out fucking fantastic for the last eight years.

Solution you want?
Step one: Fair tax, abolish the IRS.
Step two: Major NAFTA reform for something the benefits America.
Step three: Major criminal investigation into every politician, their ties to corporate America, and anyone that did anything largely unethical leading to this recession. I'm sure there are a lot.
Step four: Let the fuckers FAIL. AIG, CITI, Bank of America, Fannie, Freddie. Fucking DIE! Someone will step up to replace em.

I just read an article about this. Companies are getting billions when there worth about $1 billion. What kind of sense does that make. The government could have bought these companies for $1 Billion. (Although that crosses a dangerous line) Instead they give out money like its yesterdays newspaper. The credit crisis? Americans aren't spending. I think its less about banks being afraid to lend, everyones afraid of losing their job.

[Boosted240]

[

Correct!! Like it or not it's fact. Just look through history and you will see Clinton's fail move. I still don't know why people love Clinton so much and think "it's Bush fault"; pure raw fail.
Im not a Democrat or Republican, but the economy and deficit were better under Clinton.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1022-26.htm


Bill Clinton reversed Reagan’s course, raising taxes on the wealthy, and lowering them for the working and middle classes. This produced the longest sustained economic expansion in American history. Importantly, it also produced budgetary surpluses allowing the government to begin paying down the crippling debt begun under Reagan. In 2000, Clinton’s last year, the surplus amounted to $236 billion. The forecast ten year surplus stood at $5.6 trillion. It was the last black ink America would see for decades, perhaps forever.
George W. Bush immediately reversed Clinton’s policy in order to revive Reagan’s, once again showering an embarrassment of riches on the already most embarrassingly rich, his “base” as he calls them. He ladled out some $630 billion in tax cuts to the top 1% of income earners. In true Republican fashion, they returned the favor by investing over $200 million to ensure Bush’s re-election. Do the math. A $630 billion return on a $200 million investment: $3,160 for $1. I’ll give you $3,160. All I ask is that you give me $1 back so I can keep the goodness flowing. Do we have a deal? Republicans know return on investment.

[Memme]

Correction: paper. Cash might imply value.


Implied value is everything! ;)


Like I said i dont trust Liberals or Conservatives
Why didnt Bush change things?? He had 8 years and we were steadily shipping jobs overseas.
Money talks whether Liberal or Conervative, and corporate lobbyists have it.............

Truff...


Solution you want?
Step one: Fair tax, abolish the IRS.
Step two: Major NAFTA reform for something the benefits America.
Step three: Major criminal investigation into every politician, their ties to corporate America, and anyone that did anything largely unethical leading to this recession. I'm sure there are a lot.
Step four: Let the fuckers FAIL. AIG, CITI, Bank of America, Fannie, Freddie. Fucking DIE! Someone will step up to replace em.

I just read an article about this. Companies are getting billions when there worth about $1 billion. What kind of sense does that make. The government could have bought these companies for $1 Billion. (Although that crosses a dangerous line) Instead they give out money like its yesterdays newspaper. The credit crisis? Americans aren't spending. I think its less about banks being afraid to lend, everyones afraid of losing their job.

More truff...

:goodjob:

And yeah, these tags are retarded.

GET MAD PEOPLE... you should be.

[jphibbs]

Maybe FDR should have just cut taxes to get us out of the Great Depression instead of spending so much money on the New Deal. Would that have worked better?


Solution you want?
Step one: Fair tax, abolish the IRS.
Step two: Major NAFTA reform for something the benefits America.
Step three: Major criminal investigation into every politician, their ties to corporate America, and anyone that did anything largely unethical leading to this recession. I'm sure there are a lot.
Step four: Let the fuckers FAIL. AIG, CITI, Bank of America, Fannie, Freddie. Fucking DIE! Someone will step up to replace em.

I just read an article about this. Companies are getting billions when there worth about $1 billion. What kind of sense does that make. The government could have bought these companies for $1 Billion. (Although that crosses a dangerous line) Instead they give out money like its yesterdays newspaper. The credit crisis? Americans aren't spending. I think its less about banks being afraid to lend, everyones afraid of losing their job.

What about the people who have all of their money invested in those banks? It's gotten so bad that the FDIC is having to borrow money.

And Mike, I don't want you to think that I'm coming into your thread and talking shit to you. I guess it could seem that way.

[s7_]

No I don't care. Economic stimulus is garbage. It's not doing anything but giving ourselves a bigger hole.



The proper way would be to stop taxes or cut taxes directly from income, that is the logistical way to think because that directly affects the people who work, not those who capitalize on free handouts.

[AFSil80]

the man has been in office for only 39 days and all of a sudden all our problem is his fault. lol..

wow, so logical.

It's not that the problem he faces is the issue. The issue is the way he has decided to deal with it. You don't fix a financial problem by throwing more money at it.

That's my problem with him. He had an opportunity to bring this country out of recession, and instead he is driving us even further down the hole.

I don't know what fairy tale land you're living in where all people get along and there's granola growing on trees, but at some point in time, you will realize that electing him and most other liberal goons to Congressional positions was a huge mistake.

[Tracey]

Better not let those nude pics surface. That might hurt your political career. Although, those pics of you and Iawa will most CERTAINLY end your career.

Go F_ck Yourself. Do you care to buy a vowel?

[AFSil80]

Go F_ck Yourself. Do you care to buy a vowel?

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

All in fun! :cheers:

[~The_Duke~]

I found a 100% winner...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/ray_sir_6/More%20Funny/1236649841009.jpg

[Elizabeth Reed]

lol he gave the pm of great britain fuckin dvds...thats thuggish

regifting!

[Z infidel]

Remember the "Not my president" shirts with Bush's face on them? I'm going to make some with Obama's face on them and see how people react. It'll really piss off the Little 5 Points hippie crowd which is what I love doing :)

Who wants one?

I want one. Seriously make one with that multi-colored hope picture and NOT MY PRESIDENT and I'll buy one.

in caps

[FlatWoodsMonster]

I heard whining about the economy doesn't make it better

best one yet

[AFSil80]

I want one. Seriously make one with that multi-colored hope picture and NOT MY PRESIDENT and I'll buy one.

in caps

x2.

[Michael]

ok so the economy fucks up while a republican is in office

the american people elect a democrat because the republican fucked up

and now the republicans blame the new president even though he has nothing to do with it

k

[Z infidel]

ok so the economy fucks up while a republican is in office

the american people elect a democrat because the republican fucked up

and now the republicans blame the new president even though he has nothing to do with it

k

Not even close kid, now leave the socio/political/economic talk for the adults and go play with yourself.

[Michael]

Not even close kid, now leave the socio/political/economic talk for the adults and go play with yourself.
Can you read?

Did you know that, in an argument, it's actually a good idea to say things that have anything to do with anything?

It must suck to have never matured past age 15

[AFSil80]

ok so the economy fucks up while a republican is in office

the american people elect a democrat because the republican fucked up

and now the republicans blame the new president even though he has nothing to do with it

k

Go back and read my first post in this thread. If you feel that you still have a valid point, then you can post a response.

[Michael]

i wonder how many hypocratic liberal people are on here that use to be all for obama.
but now absolutly hate him..?

hypocratic

lol

i took the hippocratic oath!!!


Go back and read my first post in this thread. If you feel that you still have a valid point, then you can post a response.

Oh I can't post a response otherwise?

[J Squared]

hypocratic

lol

i took the hippocratic oath, nigra!!!

This made me lol

[AFSil80]

Oh I can't post a response otherwise?

No sense in trying to prove a point if it's a baseless assumption. :)

[Z infidel]

No sense in trying to prove a point if it's a baseless assumption. :)

But how else would an ignorant liberal debate?:cheers:

[Elizabeth Reed]

blaaah

[AFSil80]

But how else would an ignorant liberal debate?:cheers:

http://www.talentedmonkey.co.uk/images/monkey.jpg

LALALALALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hahaha.

[Michael]

But how else would an ignorant liberal debate?:cheers:
you should really learn the basic nature of the world before you say

well, actually, that would probably just be a waste of time.

[AFSil80]

I think that military people have a greater grasp on the rest of the world than most US citizens. Especially students. Nothing personal, just something I've noticed over the years.

[Michael]

I think that military people have a greater grasp on the rest of the world than most US citizens. Especially students. Nothing personal, just something I've noticed over the years.

no, that probably has nothing to do with it. In fact, I'd say that that is a terrible assumption. in terms of an indescribable "grasp" of the world, i'd say that the best of that category lies in the intellectual elite of america. professors, doctors, lawyers, scientists, etc.

most military people are none of the above

[AFSil80]

Key word in my post: Most. Guess what? Most Americans aren't professors, doctors, lawyers or scientists either. And you know what else? There are doctors, lawyers and scientists in the US military.

I still stand by what I said about military members being more knowledgable on the world outside of the US than most Americans. The most that any students seem to know these days are what their abroad studies will LET them do, which is virtually nothing since they are still being spoon fed by their teachers.

EDIT: Let's kick this up a notch. What do you do? Are you in college? Have you ever set foot outside of the US? Have you ever met someone from a foreign country outside of Western Europe?

[Z infidel]

no, that probably has nothing to do with it. In fact, I'd say that that is a terrible assumption. in terms of an indescribable "grasp" of the world, i'd say that the best of that category lies in the intellectual elite of america. professors, doctors, lawyers, scientists, etc.

most military people are none of the above

How many foreign countries have you lived in? Used their money? Ate their food? Drank their booze and fucked their women? I've done it in 3. Mexico doesn't count. You are a highschool kid. I'd be amazed if you made it west of the Mississippi or north of the Mason Dixon line.

[J Squared]

I think that military people have a greater grasp on the rest of the world than most US citizens. Especially students. Nothing personal, just something I've noticed over the years.

I want to think this is true, Ive noticed it myself also.

[Michael]

Key word in my post: Most. Guess what? Most Americans aren't professors, doctors, lawyers or scientists either. And you know what else? There are doctors, lawyers and scientists in the US military.

I still stand by what I said about military members being more knowledgable on the world outside of the US than most Americans. The most that any students seem to know these days are what their abroad studies will LET them do, which is virtually nothing since they are still being spoon fed by their teachers.

no, you were saying that military people have a better understanding of the world, when really it's probably quite the opposite. spoon fed by teachers? I would rather be spoon fed by a professor with an IQ of 150 than by a government indoctrination program. you think the military is known for their status amongst the intellectual elite? hardly...

[s7_]

I've been to taiwan, japan, and pretty much every state in the US except bumfuck north/south dakota/idaho/etc up north midwest.

[Z infidel]

no, you were saying that military people have a better understanding of the world, when really it's probably quite the opposite. spoon fed by teachers? I would rather be spoon fed by a professor with an IQ of 150 than by a government indoctrination program. you think the military is known for their status amongst the intellectual elite? hardly...

HAHAHA!!! Im not even going to continue with someone so incredibly ignorant. The US military, a multi-trillion dollar entity is run by monkies, hahaha this guy should stop stealing air.

[AFSil80]

no, you were saying that military people have a better understanding of the world, when really it's probably quite the opposite. spoon fed by teachers? I would rather be spoon fed by a professor with an IQ of 150 than by a government indoctrination program. you think the military is known for their status amongst the intellectual elite? hardly...

Kid, if you only knew some of the things I have done and the places I have been because of the USAF. The military doesn't "brainwash" you like your teachers are saying they do. How would they know if they were never in?

And do please answer the questions I added into the post. I'm interested to hear your answers. I'm hoping for a 'yes' answer, but I have a feeling it will be 'no' across the board.

I want to hear your personal stories with a TRUE foreigner that has never set foot in the US. Then I'll share a few of mine. :) (And I'm not talking about the guards at the gates of Al Udeid, Qatar.)

[djQ]

no, you were saying that military people have a better understanding of the world, when really it's probably quite the opposite. spoon fed by teachers? I would rather be spoon fed by a professor with an IQ of 150 than by a government indoctrination program. you think the military is known for their status amongst the intellectual elite? hardly...

i served my country and i will have to disagree with your statement

[AFSil80]

Come on Absurdum...I'm waiting for a good response. Give me a good reason to not go outside and clean my garage.

[Michael]

How many foreign countries have you lived in? Used their money? Ate their food? Drank their booze and fucked their women? I've done it in 3. Mexico doesn't count. You are a highschool kid. I'd be amazed if you made it west of the Mississippi or north of the Mason Dixon line.

the fact that you think "drinking their booze and fucking their women" gives you a better grasp of the world than me is really quite strange.

Instead of listing these ridiculous activities, let's list some of actual value. Some qualities that may actually lead to what we're talking about, which is a more globally aware mindset.

I've read philosophy from nietzsche to doestoevsky to kant to aquinas. I have argued with scholars and professors. I have friends all over the world, from russia to germany to the netherlands to france and spain and the UK and the UAE. With many of these people, I argue politics. I've learned their culture.

Basically - you know those books that you hear about but have never bothered to read? Well I actually have. I actually know what i'm talking about. I read the communist manifesto in ninth grade. I know comprehensive religious and political philosophy.

You've drank beer and fucked women.

what the fuck do you know?

[AFSil80]

You're avoiding my questions...

And rich, wealthy students from other nations don't count for shit. They are the upper echelon, the elite society of their nations. They are just as likely to be ignorant on their own country's problems.

[Z infidel]

the fact that you think "drinking their booze and fucking their women" gives you a better grasp of the world than me is really quite strange.

Instead of listing these ridiculous activities, let's list some of actual value. Some qualities that may actually lead to what we're talking about, which is a more globally aware mindset.

I've read philosophy from nietzsche to doestoevsky to kant to aquinas. I have argued with scholars and professors. I have friends all over the world, from russia to germany to the netherlands to france and spain and the UK and the UAE. With many of these people, I argue politics. I've learned their culture.

Basically - you know those books that you hear about but have never bothered to read? Well I actually have. I actually know what i'm talking about. I read the communist manifesto in ninth grade. I know comprehensive religious and political philosophy.

You've drank beer and fucked women.

what the fuck do you know?

In other words you blind child, I LIVED THEIR LIVES


in caps so this stupid fucking kid can see it


Good to know your "worldly experience" comes from books. Way to live.

[AFSil80]

Hey, quit derailing my thread! Hahaha.

On topic: Absurdum....come on...answer my questions from a few pages back...

[Michael]

In other words you blind child, I LIVED THEIR LIVES


in caps so this stupid fucking kid can see it


Good to know your "worldly experience" comes from books. Way to live.

I'm a senior in high school.

I'm willing to bet that by the time I'm your age, I will have considerably more to brag about than you.


Hey, quit derailing my thread! Hahaha.

On topic: Absurdum....come on...answer my questions from a few pages back...

I'm in high school. I went on a cruise to mexico. I have met people who have never been to the US who are not from western europe. what was the other one...?

[AFSil80]

Oh to hell with this.

Absurdum, you're in high school. You just indirectly admitted that you don't know a damn thing about the outside world. Books, while they hold SOME learning value, are nothing more than an opinion by the author. They do not tell the whole tale. This is where REAL WORLD EXPERIENCES come into play, and again:

The members of the US military have more REAL WORLD EXPERIENCES OUTSIDE OF THE US than most US citizens.

EDIT: A CRUISE TO MEXICO?!!?!?! ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!! Kid, it's time to put that kool-aid down. You're not as smart as you wish you were.

[Michael]

EDIT: A CRUISE TO MEXICO?!!?!?! ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!! Kid, it's time to put that kool-aid down. You're not as smart as you wish you were.

lol, I wasn't posting that as bragging rights. it was more of "I haven't had experiences outside of this country and it doesn't matter"

but you're not intelligent enough to catch subtlety.

[AFSil80]

lol, I wasn't posting that as bragging rights. it was more of "I haven't had experiences outside of this country and it doesn't matter"

but you're not intelligent enough to catch subtlety.

Hahahahahaha, you're a real dissapointment. I was hoping that this was going to be an intellectual thread. Instead, I'm posting up legit questions and getting responses from a child that decides to play the sarcasm card when he gets called out as a cover up.

You can't admit that I'm right about you being an ignorant teenager.

[s7_]

lol...he has you there absurdum.

[Michael]

Absurdum, you're in high school. You just indirectly admitted that you don't know a damn thing about the outside world. Books, while they hold SOME learning value, are nothing more than an opinion by the author. They do not tell the whole tale.

you've obviously never read a single word of philosophy in your life.

Taking a vacation to europe, going ashore as your navy vessel docks in foreign harbors, being stationed in germany - these activities do not teach you anything more than basic customs. Have you grappled with the intellectual problems of a culture by drinking their beer? No, you have not. Your "experiences" are a poor excuse for worldly knowledge.

[Z infidel]

AFSil80 you should have taken my lead and let this child spout off as this forum is the most contact with the outside world that he'll get in years.

[s7_]

reading books versus actual experiences.........hmmmm

[AFSil80]

A little insight to my past: Not all members of the US military come from the middle class. My father was General Manager of Boeing GA for the majority of the 80's and early 90's. He made a comfortable enough living to send us four kids to college. My 3 eldest siblings all have their Masters in their respective fields, and I'm starting towards my B.S. in Engineering, using my money from the GI Bill and the funds my parents set aside...

I used the US military to get out of the US and learn something about the world, and to pay for my school.

I've read all that shit you listed when I was in high school too, as it was required by my Honors classes. Care to keep this one going?

[Z infidel]

reading books versus actual experiences.........hmmmm

Stop or he'll flex his worldly experiences on you to!

[Michael]

Instead, I'm posting up legit questions and getting responses from a child that decides to play the sarcasm card when he gets called out as a cover up.

you can't even get your word order right.

try this:

...responses from a child that plays the sarcasm card as a cover up after being called out.


A little insight to my past: Not all members of the US military come from the middle class. My father was General Manager of Boeing GA for the majority of the 80's and early 90's. He made a comfortable enough living to send us four kids to college. My 3 eldest all have their Masters in their respective fields, and I'm starting towards my B.S. in Engineering, using my money from the GI Bill and the funds my parents set aside...

I used the US military to get out of the US and learn something about the world, and to pay for my school.

I've read all that shit you listed when I was in high school too, as it was required by my Honors classes. Care to keep this one going?

you don't read that stuff until college lit, bra

[Z infidel]

I used the US military to get out of the US and learn something about the world, and to pay for my school.



I used the military to jump out of airplanes and kill people. That and school kids like absurdumbass.




you don't read that stuff until college lit, bra

So maybe its possible that he was more advanced than you?! :ohnoes:

[AFSil80]

you don't read that stuff until college lit, bra

You obviously did not have the same teachers I did, nor did you have the same mandatory summer reading list.

Just go ahead and admit it. Let the pain go. I'm right, and you're still wet behind the ears when it comes to the world.

EDIT: I see that you're relying on my lack of internet grammar as an attack, since you don't have a leg to stand on against anything I've said. Can't dodge me, kid.

[Michael]

I used the military to jump out of airplanes and kill people. That and school kids like absurdumbass.

oh yeah, you used the military to school me real good! your intelligence has really shown through, as always, z infidel. calling me an ignorant liberal? brilliant...

[Z infidel]

oh yeah, you used the military to school me real good! your intelligence has really shown through, as always, z infidel. calling me an ignorant liberal? brilliant...

What have you come up with? Admitting that your worldly knowledge was on a cruise to mexico? Don't even make me call the Duke into this.

[Michael]

You obviously did not have the same teachers I did, nor did you have the same mandatory summer reading list.

Just go ahead and admit it. Let the pain go. I'm right, and you're still wet behind the ears when it comes to the world.

eww, that's just pathetic.

haha ok tell me. what nietzsche have you read?

[AFSil80]

I tell you what, I'll trade you answers.

You tell me what outside US experience you have, and I'll tell you how far down the philosophy hole I've gone.

Hint: Same amount of steps you've taken outside of the US.

EDIT: Want to learn a lot about various behavioral characteristics firsthand? Meaning, the type of shit they don't teach you in a book, or in school? I know of a FINE Federal organization that welcomes people from most walks of life, and gives them a job to do....care to guess?

[Michael]

i'll give you this, afsil80.

the wheels on my car are knockoffs of the ones you actually have.

and i am jealous.

[AFSil80]

Ugh, I'm done with this thread.

Thanks for the compliment I guess, but I would've enjoyed a good debate more.

[Michael]

Ugh, I'm done with this thread.

Thanks for the compliment I guess, but I would've enjoyed a good debate more.

a debate of what? ad hominem? There has been very little argument of substance in this thread, peter. it almost seems to me like you've been under the illusion that there actually was.

[AFSil80]

Just remember.

The fool can never play the wise man, but the wise man can easily play the fool.

[Michael]

Just remember.

The fool can never play the wise man, but the wise man can easily play the fool.

right.

so you think you've been pawning me around in this argument? :P

[s7_]

back to what i was saying.


FUCK OBAMA. FUCK PEOPLE WHO DON'T WORK.

CUT TAXES!

[Z infidel]

back to what i was saying.


FUCK OBAMA. FUCK RETARDS LIKE AD-ABSURDUMBASS. FUCK PEOPLE WHO DON'T WORK.

CUT TAXES!

^This

[AFSil80]

right.

so you think you've been pawning me around in this argument? :P

No, I was looking for a good debate, and you could not come up with your half. I'd like to assume that you refused to post something, but that would imply that you actually had something to back it up with.

And I know you don't.

[jphibbs]

back to what i was saying.


FUCK OBAMA. FUCK PEOPLE WHO DON'T WORK.

CUT TAXES!

Cutting taxes hasn't worked.

And a lot of people aren't just choosing not to work these days. Businesses shut down or lay off workers every day.

[s7_]

This is true, but welfare has been used as abused, currently when we actually need it now it's being used, but added to our debt. In short I'm saying if we didn't have people wearing Gucci cashing in foodstamps and their free money from the government we wouldn't be stockpiling our debt even more.

Cutting taxes does work. What makes you think it doesn't? It helps out everyone and allows companies and other people to spend more money which in turn stimulates the economy positively.

Giving out money we don't have does not help us, cutting money from coming in to the government, does.

When I use to make the money I did, I had $600 a month coming out of taxes. A lot of it was for medicare and other crap I didn't have. I was paying for someone else's deathbed and someone else's foodstamps.

[m_cloud]

lol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4)

[jphibbs]

Bush's tax cuts didn't help at all. After eight years of them, we only fell further into a recession.

My proposal would be to spend federal money on public works projects. People get jobs and we get better parks, roads, et cetera. It worked with the New Deal. It seems to me that it would help now.

Then again, I'm far from an economist.

[s7_]

Bush's tax cuts didn't help at all. After eight years of them, we only fell further into a recession.

My proposal would be to spend federal money on public works projects. People get jobs and we get better parks, roads, et cetera. It worked with the New Deal. It seems to me that it would help now.

Then again, I'm far from an economist.

They always have road workers, they get paid a lot, finding these jobs are not that easy though.

[acurarsxalott]

wow.

[jphibbs]

I mean spending a lot of money on large scale projects. Projects that would need a lot of new workers. Projects that we otherwise wouldn't need. Once people start getting a paycheck, they'll start buying more stuff. That's more tax revenue.

[Memme]

Umm....

That would help blue collar workers...

It wouldn't do anything for me... but then, I got a job lol... I don't need help. I need a mortgage. Which means... I need a healthy lending market... and the government is just ruining that.

[J Squared]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/deadxxreckoning/CSRAM/fastfurious.jpg

[~The_Duke~]

JJ you are the man lol

[Hammerhead-i Eaglethrust]

I mean spending a lot of money on large scale projects. Projects that would need a lot of new workers. Projects that we otherwise wouldn't need. Once people start getting a paycheck, they'll start buying more stuff. That's more tax revenue.

thats just what we need. everyone working for the government. because the government does such a great job at everything they do right? That's the mentality we have in office right now, that is saying FUCK YOU to the entire private sector, and that is why the stock market falls further, and consumer confidence is in the crapper.

You say cutting taxes does not work, I completely disagree, and in fact I believe if we had a massive tax cut from the federal government on EVERYTHING, (or better yet impliment the fair tax)I believe people would begin to buy things again and before you know it unemployment would go down, and tax revenues would eventually go up, consumer confidence would be through the roof, and guess what? tax revenues would go up also. because the more we build, sell, buy, eat, drink, whatever, the more taxes we'll pay. This is a huge no brainer that I don't understand why some of you don't get.

The problem is everyone in the government wants power. And to have power you have to have your hands in things. To leave things alone and let them succeed on their own doesn't give you power now does it? Obama has said on many occasion that "Only the Federal Government" can get us out of this. Bull fucking shit. The government is who got us into this with the whole subprime lending scheme.

Some of you think this is all Bush's fault, and a lot of it is. But does none of you notice that things have only really gotten bad in the last few years since the democrats have had control of the house and senate? Imagine if we had another 9/11 right now with those fuckheads at the healm. Do you really think we would bounce back like we did back then? Doubtful.

[s7_]

^ Reps

[AFSil80]

Troof.

[jphibbs]

thats just what we need. everyone working for the government. because the government does such a great job at everything they do right? That's the mentality we have in office right now, that is saying FUCK YOU to the entire private sector, and that is why the stock market falls further, and consumer confidence is in the crapper.

You say cutting taxes does not work, I completely disagree, and in fact I believe if we had a massive tax cut from the federal government on EVERYTHING, (or better yet impliment the fair tax)I believe people would begin to buy things again and before you know it unemployment would go down, and tax revenues would eventually go up, consumer confidence would be through the roof, and guess what? tax revenues would go up also. because the more we build, sell, buy, eat, drink, whatever, the more taxes we'll pay. This is a huge no brainer that I don't understand why some of you don't get.

The problem is everyone in the government wants power. And to have power you have to have your hands in things. To leave things alone and let them succeed on their own doesn't give you power now does it? Obama has said on many occasion that "Only the Federal Government" can get us out of this. Bull fucking shit. The government is who got us into this with the whole subprime lending scheme.

Some of you think this is all Bush's fault, and a lot of it is. But does none of you notice that things have only really gotten bad in the last few years since the democrats have had control of the house and senate? Imagine if we had another 9/11 right now with those fuckheads at the healm. Do you really think we would bounce back like we did back then? Doubtful.

I said that cutting taxes hasn't worked. And it hasn't. It might, but it hasn't.

In large part, the private sector has fucked itself. Look at all of the companies that have failed recently. It's been because of poor management and greedy, fucked up executives. Given, banks have failed because people couldn't pay back their loans, but that goes back to poor management on their part for letting many of those people have loans.

[jphibbs]

Someone reply to me. I know you all have stuff to say. I'm still waiting for someone to propose a decent solution.

[s7_]

Capitalism looks good on paper. As with anything, systems only work as good as the people who run them. The reason behind things working in not working isn't always in the formula or proposal or plan, it's moreso the people who control and enforce the rules. Like with any system.

[Hammerhead-i Eaglethrust]

capitalism is flawed because human nature is flawed. It's still the best thing we have. If someone can name a system that works better, I'd like to hear it. I still say you're wrong about cutting taxes. What I tried to tell you was that the tax cuts we've had in recent years have not been enough. We still have some of the highest taxes for corporations anywhere in the world, and all that causes is for businesses to pack up and move operations to other countries, thus taking away jobs, economic strength and of course, revenue to the government. 50 percent of somethin' is better than 100 percent of nothin' right? (bad fnf3 line)

But I don't think capitalism is the problem here. I think its a greedy government who knows that there are more votes to be had from poor people than rich. The government has yet to own up to the fact that they are the ones who pushed these subprime loans on us that started this downward spiral in the first place.

And yet you want them to have more power? Start up MORE spending programs and build a bunch of roads we don't need in an attempt to jumpstart the economy? Why not just pave the whole country? Then what are we going to do for work? The problem with capitalism is that it needs less government involvement. Yes we need regulations, you can't just have everyone going around screwing each other over, but allowing an all powerful government who does not have our best interests at heart to have their hand in everything without question is a recipe for disaster.

You need to open your eyes to the fact that we are all being sold out in an effort to gain more and more political power. Pure and simple, whether you are democrat or republican its not that hard to see if you really look.

[Jello!]

im not a fan of obama myself. he stole all my parents money in taxes pretty much. :(

[Tracey]

I don't need my government to take care of me. Thanks.

[s7_]

capitalism is flawed because human nature is flawed. It's still the best thing we have. If someone can name a system that works better, I'd like to hear it. I still say you're wrong about cutting taxes. What I tried to tell you was that the tax cuts we've had in recent years have not been enough. We still have some of the highest taxes for corporations anywhere in the world, and all that causes is for businesses to pack up and move operations to other countries, thus taking away jobs, economic strength and of course, revenue to the government. 50 percent of somethin' is better than 100 percent of nothin' right? (bad fnf3 line)

But I don't think capitalism is the problem here. I think its a greedy government who knows that there are more votes to be had from poor people than rich. The government has yet to own up to the fact that they are the ones who pushed these subprime loans on us that started this downward spiral in the first place.

And yet you want them to have more power? Start up MORE spending programs and build a bunch of roads we don't need in an attempt to jumpstart the economy? Why not just pave the whole country? Then what are we going to do for work? The problem with capitalism is that it needs less government involvement. Yes we need regulations, you can't just have everyone going around screwing each other over, but allowing an all powerful government who does not have our best interests at heart to have their hand in everything without question is a recipe for disaster.

You need to open your eyes to the fact that we are all being sold out in an effort to gain more and more political power. Pure and simple, whether you are democrat or republican its not that hard to see if you really look.


I'd just like to hit some highlights here for the people who don't know
- Middle class is dead, the upper echelon of society and lower class is what's left
- Taxes need to be cut still
- Free handouts (stimulus) does not equate better economy/living
- Welfare still fucks the system up



I'm not disagreeing with you James, we need to cut taxes, also Capitalism is our best system, will not disagree there either, just saying our system is corrupted by fat white dudes who seriously need to stop sitting on their thumbs and wads of cash and give it back to the people.

[Hammerhead-i Eaglethrust]

No disagreement here. I think that sums up most of what I said in a nutshell

[jphibbs]

capitalism is flawed because human nature is flawed. It's still the best thing we have. If someone can name a system that works better, I'd like to hear it. I still say you're wrong about cutting taxes. What I tried to tell you was that the tax cuts we've had in recent years have not been enough. We still have some of the highest taxes for corporations anywhere in the world, and all that causes is for businesses to pack up and move operations to other countries, thus taking away jobs, economic strength and of course, revenue to the government. 50 percent of somethin' is better than 100 percent of nothin' right? (bad fnf3 line)


Tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas are the cause of that. And that started pre-Obama.


im not a fan of obama myself. he stole all my parents money in taxes pretty much. :(

Can anyone show me a news report or anything else about Obama raising taxes? Everyone talks about how he's stealing their money, but I haven't seen a single thing on him raising taxes. And I don't mean his plan to raise taxes on the wealthy... I don't think that's even happening until 2011.

[WANNAB]

Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters,
We've stuck together since the late 1950s, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know that we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and just will not ever agree on what's right. So let's just end it right now while we can do it on friendly terms. We can smile, shake hands, chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and each go our own way.

So here's a model separation agreement.

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by land mass, each taking a portion. That's going to be the difficult part, but I'm sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy. Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate taste. We don't like redistributive taxes so you can have those. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. And since you hate guns and you hate war, we'll take the firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell. But you are going to be responsible for finding a biodiesel vehicle big enough to haul them around.

We'll keep the capitalism, the greedy corporations, the pharmaceutical companies; we will keep Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have the homeless, the homeboys, the hippies and illegal aliens. We will keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, the greedy CEOS and all of the rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and we'll let you have NBC and Hollywood.

You can be nice to Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer anybody that threatens us. You can have the peaceniks and the war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we will provide them with security. You won't have to worry about it. We will keep our Judeo-Christian values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley Maclaine. You can also have the UN, but we will no longer pay the bill.

We will keep the SUVs, the pickup trucks and the oversize luxury cars. You can have the compacts, the subcompacts and every Subaru station wagon you can find. You can give everybody healthcare, if you can find any practicing doctors. We will continue to believe that healthcare is a privilege and not a right. We will keep "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the national anthem, and I am sure you will be happy to substitute in their place "Imagine." I'd like to teach the world to sing "Kumbaya" or "We are the world." We will practice trickle-down economics and you can give trickle-up poverty your best shot. And since it so offends you, we will keep our history, our name and our flag.

Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along other like-minded liberal and conservative patriots. And if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the friendly spirit of parting, I'll bet you ANWAR which one of us will need whose help in about 15 years.
Sincerely,

Me.



Yeah I got the same Email. Cool

---------- Post added at 05:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:01 PM ----------


Tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas are the cause of that. And that started pre-Obama.



Can anyone show me a news report or anything else about Obama raising taxes? Everyone talks about how he's stealing their money, but I haven't seen a single thing on him raising taxes. And I don't mean his plan to raise taxes on the wealthy... I don't think that's even happening until 2011.

How do you think WE are going to pay for this? ...............dumbass

Only you and Obama think money falls from the sky.........again....... your a dumbass

[jphibbs]

How do you think WE are going to pay for this? ...............dumbass

Only you and Obama think money falls from the sky.........again....... your a dumbass

Go back and read what you quoted me saying. Pay for what? I wasn't even talking about anything like that. I asked for someone to show me a news article and then you called me a dumbass. Get your shit together man.

[Jorgen]

We need the fair tax. Eliminate the IRS. You are taxed ONCE for what you spend. No income tax. States will still need their property taxes, but I'm fine with that.

Don't forget the alternative theory.
They want America to fail.
So they can have their one world currency and one world government.
"Hope for the best, prepare for the worst"

I'm not sure how credible Alex Jones is, but until I find out, I'll keep reading.

Police trained informed Americans are domestic terrorists...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/police-trained-nationwide-that-informed-americans-are-domestic-terrorists.html

Obama's gun ban...
http://www.infowars.com/obamas-gun-ban-list-is-out/

To fight the Mexican drug cartels, they want to take your guns....
http://www.prisonplanet.com/dhs-proposes-us-gun-laws-to-fight-mexican-drug-cartel-violence.html

[jphibbs]

We need the fair tax. Eliminate the IRS. You are taxed ONCE for what you spend. No income tax. States will still need their property taxes, but I'm fine with that.

Don't forget the alternative theory.
They want America to fail.
So they can have their one world currency and one world government.
"Hope for the best, prepare for the worst"

I'm not sure how credible Alex Jones is, but until I find out, I'll keep reading.

Police trained informed Americans are domestic terrorists...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/police-trained-nationwide-that-informed-americans-are-domestic-terrorists.html

Obama's gun ban...
http://www.infowars.com/obamas-gun-ban-list-is-out/

To fight the Mexican drug cartels, they want to take your guns....
http://www.prisonplanet.com/dhs-proposes-us-gun-laws-to-fight-mexican-drug-cartel-violence.html

What exactly is the point of the fair tax? How will it work better than what we have now? Will we be paying more or less in taxes? I honestly don't know that much about it and that's why I'm asking.

And as far as the conspiracy theory shit goes... I heard all that same shit about Bush when he was in office. The extreme leftists and the extreme right wingers all think that the other side is trying to create some kind of one-government world. It's seriously the same shit.

[Hammerhead-i Eaglethrust]

Tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas are the cause of that. And that started pre-Obama.



Can anyone show me a news report or anything else about Obama raising taxes? Everyone talks about how he's stealing their money, but I haven't seen a single thing on him raising taxes. And I don't mean his plan to raise taxes on the wealthy... I don't think that's even happening until 2011.

Tax breaks for companies that go overseas would not be something I would call good either... if that actually happened, I don't know anything about that.

As far as Obama raising taxes, he's only been in office for a few months, thats why he hasn't done it yet. He's talking about raising taxes on the 'rich'. Which if you have any independent thought you would be able to think of a few reasons why thats not good (rather than just saying "I'm not rich, so why should I care"). He's not saying he's going to raise your taxes, what he's saying is he's going to "roll back the bush taxcuts". Like it or not, those taxcuts affected you, therefore your taxes are going to go up. If you don't think Obama is going to raise taxes, you are sadly mistaken and need to do some more research on the subject.


What exactly is the point of the fair tax? How will it work better than what we have now? Will we be paying more or less in taxes? I honestly don't know that much about it and that's why I'm asking.

And as far as the conspiracy theory shit goes... I heard all that same shit about Bush when he was in office. The extreme leftists and the extreme right wingers all think that the other side is trying to create some kind of one-government world. It's seriously the same shit.

The fair tax is a system where all forms of federal taxes are replaced with one sales tax. That includes businesses, individuals, corporate taxes, any other imbedded tax. So when you go to buy something, the initial price would be significantly lower than it would be under the present system, but then that sales tax would be added onto it at the point of purchase. If all goes as planned, then it would be something like 26 percent off the item, with 25 percent tax added back on, so you still save money, plus there is no more IRS, no filing of federal taxes, no tax preparation fees, so the percentage that goes from you to the federal government goes way down. Nothing for you to keep track of, you either stay home and pay no taxes, or you go spend money and pay taxes. So simple a monkey can do it.

The only downside I see is if you are in the tax prep business. H&R block and such would all go down the toilet. That's why accountants will always tell you its a bad idea.

The idea is that if people have 100 percent of their paychecks to spend, while the government may only get a smaller percentage on the dollar, that the increase in the amount of money spent would result in a huge increase in revenue. Like I said earlier, 50 percent of say $1,000,000,000 is better than 75 percent of 1,000,000. To quote Neil Boortz, "you'd have to run and hide not to find a job in this country".

As far as the conspiracy theory thing, used to be I would agree with you on that, but nowadays, even though I'd like to dismiss it as bullshit, I'm really starting to wonder.

[s7_]

Tax is bs. end of story.

[seksehowy]

i'll just leave this here.
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff57/dbernor/OBAMA.jpg

[jphibbs]

^ :roll:

As for the fair tax, let's see if I get this:

With the fair tax, we'd pay less in taxes. Individuals and businesses would benefit from it, but the government would see less immediate revenue. But since individuals and businesses would benefit, people would be spending more, and that would then provide the government with more revenue.

Correct? If that's how it works then I don't see anything wrong with that.

And I still want to know what the hell WANNAB was talking about.

[Hammerhead-i Eaglethrust]

Yes that is the theory. I tend to think it would work if it was ever implimented, but it would take sooo much power away from the politicians on both sides that they would never go for it.

[s7_]

http://images4.cafepress.com/product/325992224v12_350x350_Front.jpg

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^ :roll:

As for the fair tax, let's see if I get this:

With the fair tax, we'd pay less in taxes. Individuals and businesses would benefit from it, but the government would see less immediate revenue. But since individuals and businesses would benefit, people would be spending more, and that would then provide the government with more revenue.

Correct? If that's how it works then I don't see anything wrong with that.

And I still want to know what the hell WANNAB was talking about.


There's no reason to pay back the government, we're already so far in debt because they keep spending too much, it'll never end.