The Definitive 2JZ vs SR vs RB 240sx Paper

[Mr. Kidd]

It took me 3 days of research and compiling data to write this. We are offering this to everyone thinking about doing the 2JZ 240sx. Read it and give me some feedback:

This booklet contains information and a parts list to do a Supra 2JZGTE Motor swap into a Nissan 240sx. Why do a Supra swap? Most of our customers that want a Supra swap are interested in making more than 450whp. Its simply not cost effective for them to do an Sr20 or an RB of any kind. If you are looking for 300whp and that’s it, a 2JZ swap is NOT FOR YOU. You would be perfectly fine with a mild SR20 build or an RB. If your wanting 350whp+, a Supra swap is something to consider.

Why a 2JZ over an SR20?
SR20s are prone to a variety of problems over 350whp.

1) A- SR20 Transmissions are very brittle. Past 350whp they do not stay together. Most customers of ours who drive their cars hard with SR20s, go through at least 3 transmissions a year, some as many as 7. Now SR transmissions are cheap ($100-300) but they can become annoying to change all the time. Your only alternative is a 300ZX Transmission upgrade which can run anywhere from $2500-3500 with a clutch.

B- The 2JZGTE R154 5 speed transmission is very stout. Easily capable of 700whp in the lighter 240sx chassis, and they run around $500-600.

2) A- SR20s are known for their Valve train issues. If you want to make serious power with them (400+) they are very prone to popping rocker arms off and floating valves. The bigger the camshafts you run, the more problems they have regardless of your valve train configuration (stock or aftermarket).

B- the 2JZGTE valve train has no rocker arms. They are a bucket and shim with less moving parts.

3) A- SR20s are known for their oiling system problems. Past 450whp, many people have problems with spinning bearings and blowing motors up due to lack of oil pressure. The SR20 motor is prone to oil pump failure and are in serious need of oil pan modification or a dry sump oil system.

B- 2JZGTE blocks have no known oil system failures.

4) A- SR20 motors require a lot more work to make big horsepower. If you’re searching for 450whp+, you’ll need aftermarket sleeves, rods, and pistons. Those can cost a big chunk of money.

B- 2JZGTE motors are capable of 850whp in stock trim, no rods, or pistons are needed, blocks are cast iron that require no sleeves.

We feel that by the time you take into account the money needed to build a 450-600whp SR20, factoring in dry sump oil systems, built blocks, ported head , you will be far more expensive than a mild Supra motor. If you feel the same way, read on.

What about the Rbxx swaps?
You are right, many people argue the differences between the Supra 2JZGTE and the RB26DETT. Both are great motors, but we feel the Supra engine is far superior.

1) Cost- RB26 motors are FAR more expensive than the Supra engines. JDM Aristo Supra motors are as cheap as $2500 with wiring harnesses , ECUs, automatic Transmissions. RB26 motors cannot be found from reputable dealers for less than $3900 for JUST THE LONGBLOCK.

2) OEM Parts Availability- Any parts for a Supra motor are just a Toyota Dealership away. Many parts can be ordered and picked up in the same day. Since the 2JZGTE motor was offered in the United States in our Supra, Lexus SC 300, GS 300, IS300, we can get parts very easily. The RB motors were never offered in the United States. Parts are usually combinations of parts off other US Spec Nissans that can make it very hard or confusing for consumers. Some parts are only available from Japan and can take weeks and months to arrive in our US stores. You will also pay premiums for RB OEM parts as they are in high demand.

3) Power Parts Availability- The Toyota Supra has a very thorough Aftermarket Parts selection. The first MKIV Supra was produced in America in 1993 and production was stopped in 1998. It is a legend in the Racing community and has a huge following. There are numerous companies that Race and Manufacture parts for the Supra motors. Cams, Pistons, Rods, Intake manifold, Valve Springs and Retainers, valves, Turbos, Turbo Manifolds, Exhaust, Downpipes, Injectors, Fuel Rails, Cam Gears, Bearings can be found from any one of hundreds of websites dedicated to the Supra 2JZ motor.

The RB26 is much more expensive to make any serious horsepower. The availability of their aftermarket parts is nowhere near as extensive as the Supra.

If you are still considering the Supra swap, lets get to the real meat and potatoes of the SR vs. RB26 vs. 2JZGTE argument. Here are some dynos of some different customer we have tuned. These dynos are taken from our Dynojet Dynamometer.

This is a STOCK Twin Turbo setup from a 2JZGTE installed in a 240sx Chassis. This is a stock ecu, stock injectors, stock intake manifold and throttle body, stock twin turbos. This is what you can expect from a relatively low mileage JDM Aristo 2JZGTE Supra motor.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/Deckerstocktwins.jpg


Here is a Stock Twin Turbo Setup (RED LINE) that’s listed above versus a mild SR20 (BLUE LINE) :

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DeckervsMildSr20.jpg

The SR20 had the following Mods:
Garret GT28R Turbo (disco potato)
HKS 264 Camshafts
Greddy Rocker Arm Stoppers
Megan Racing Manifold and Downpipe
3in Downpipe with 3in exhaust
Metal Headgasket and ARP Head studs
Apex Power FC
RC 650cc injectors
Z32 MAF

The 2JZGTE Motor had the following Mods:
Stock Twin Turbos
3in Downpipe
3in Exhaust
Stock ECU

As you can see, at 5000RPM, the 2JZGTE makes 32whp and 38Ft/Lbs of torque MORE than the SR20. Peak HP the 2JZGTE makes 30whp and 53 FT/Lbs Torque more than the SR20. Both motors are similar in price to install and build.

This is a dyno of a Medium Built SR20 (BLUE LINE) versus a 2JZGTE with a single turbo conversion ( RED LINE). Both are S13 Chassis.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/SRvs2JZ.jpg

The SR20 had the following Mods:
Stock Block- Stock Pistons and Rods
Metal Headgasket with ARP Head studs
T3/T4 57trim Garret Turbo
Full-Race Style Tubular Ramhorn Topmount Turbo Manifold ,3in Downpipe
Tial 38mm Wastegate
ACT Clutch
Ported Cylinder Head
HKS 264 Camshafts
Greddy Rocker Arm Stoppers
Greddy Intake manifold
Front mount intercooler and piping
3in Exhaust
Apex Power FC
Top Feed Fuel Rail
RC 750cc Injectors
Z32 MAF
25PSI of boost on Race Gas

The 2JZGTE had the following Mods:
Stock Block- Stock Pistons and Rods
Stock Cylinder Head
XS Power Turbo Manifold
62-1 Turbonetics Turbo
Tial 44mm Wastegate
3in Downpipe and Exhaust
SAFC for tuning and a Stock ECU with Stock Injectors and Stock Intake manifold
Front Mount Intercooler and Piping
15PSI of boost on PUMP GAS

If you look at the graph, the 2JZGTE makes 100 Ft/Lbs of TQ and 85whp more at 4500 RPMs. The 2JZGTE motor KILLS the Sr20 until 6000RPMs. In fact, the 2JZGTE motor only loses from 6000rpms to 6800 rpms! That’s only an 800 RPM difference! That means the Supra Power 240sx is a killer street car with a far more usable power band, less lag in the spool time with FAR less modifications.

Your saying “of course it kills the SR20, it’s a 2.0L 4 cylinder compared to a 3.0L inline 6”. We understand that, but the Sr20 still has the “glass” SR Transmission, a stock bottom end that is way past “reliable”, and we feel if you price both motors from a reputable shop, you’ll find the money difference is not astronomically different. In fact, the SR20 dyno that is posted, that customer lost that motor 2 months later due to a common failure in the oil pump. He also was on his 7th transmission . The 2JZGTE motor only needs a fuel rail and injectors ($750) an he can make 600whp reliably at the same or less boost than the SR20.


Still not convinced? What about the infamous RB26 Skyline GTR motor? Lets see how it compares to a 2JZGTE.

The following is a Graph of a RB26 Powered 240sx(BLUE LINE) versus a S13 with a 2JZGTE with a small single turbo upgrade (RED LINE):

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/2JZGTEvsRB26.jpg


The RB26 has the following Mods:
Stock Block- Stock Pistons, Stock Rods
Metal Headgasket with ARP head studs
HKS 264 Camshafts
JUN Cam Gears
RC 750cc injectors
HKS Twin Ball Bearing GT2535R turbos ($6000 package)
3in RSR Downpipe with 3in Exhaust
Apex Power FC
15PSI of boost on PUMP GAS

The 2JZGTE has the following Mods:
Stock Block- Stock Pistons and Rods
Stock Cylinder Head
XS Power Turbo Manifold
62-1 Turbonetics Turbo
Tial 44mm Wastegate
3in Downpipe and Exhaust
SAFC for tuning and a Stock ECU with Stock Injectors and Stock Intake manifold
Front Mount Intercooler and Piping
15PSI of boost on PUMP GAS


The 2JZGTE with the small single turbo makes 93whp and 97 Ft/Lbs of Torque more at 5000 RPMs than the RB26 with TINY TWIN BALL BEARING HKS TURBOS! The RB26 makes more horsepower from 6800-7800 , or only 1000RPMS of power band. The RB26 setup is easily a $20,000 setup from a shop (install and all parts/Labor). The 2JZGTE setup was MUCH cheaper.

We have nothing against the RB motors or the SR20. Both are great motors and can be a blast to drive. We just feel you will get more for your wallet from the 2JZGTE motor if horsepower and a fun street car is what you are after.

So are you convinced yet? If so, lets get down to what it takes to put a Supra Motor in your Nissan 240sx S13 or S14 chassis and why. On the next page we have listed a parts breakdown of everything you will need for your swap.

2JZGTE PARTS LIST
2JZGTE Motorset Complete with ECU, Wiring Harness-$2500
R154 5 Speed Transmission (shifter, release fork, Clip Rings and Washer)-$500-700
1JZ Bell housing-$400
1JZ Flywheel-$275
1JZ ARP Flywheel Bolts-$50
R154 Slave Cylinder-$55
OEM 7MGTE Clutch or Aftermarket- $150-650 (depending on what kind)
Batlground Motor Mount Kit-$1200
Driveshaft Shop Driveshaft-$450
2JZSwap Shifter Extension-$250
Koyo Radiator with Slim Fans-$500
Custom 3in Exhaust with Muffler-$650-750
Front Mount Intercooler with Piping, Clamps, Couplers-$750
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump-$150 with relay
Fuel Filter-$55
Misc. Fuel Lines and Clutch Lines, Vacuum Hoses-$45

Expect labor around $2500-3000




If you have anymore questions, you can contact Batlground via EMAIL at:

Mike@Batlground.com

[Mr. Kidd]

Now, V-Empire before you go off remember:

1) this is marketing that does have alot of fact to it but yes it was done at a time i was trying to sell a service

2) Remember this is for guys WANTING TO MAKE MORE THAN 450whp, guys who street race an who are about drag racing

3) its not for everyone

[MrVito]

Or for less money, faster engine response, more torque, and better parts availability, got get yourself an LS1.

[Wedge]

Do you know the weight difference between the SR and 2JZ? Just curious.

Could you do a cost analysis for say a 400whp sr compared to a 400whp 2jz. Including labor for doing the swap and all the custom things you need for 2jz? I would be curious.

[suprabrit]

Good info Mike, but I still think a 2j belongs in a Supra...I hate cross-breeds.

Wanna do a swap on my Supra though? ;)

PS - SR in Supra = :gay:

[Wedge]

Good info Mike, but I still think a 2j belongs in a Supra...I hate cross-breeds.

Wanna do a swap on my Supra though? ;)

PS - SR in Supra = :gay:

I don't like cross-breeds either, but the 240 is so much cheaper and lighter than a supra, so it makes a poor-man's fast car.

Although if I were to go with an LS1, I would probably buy the car as well.

And just as info where is this <3k$ 2jz swap kit avaiable at?

[suprabrit]

I don't know, maybe I'll paint my 240 RSP, swap in a gte, put tt Supra wheels on it, widebody, and turn it into a targa...then I'll make sure my tag says "WANNABE" lol...

[JDM Steve]

i dont like the 2j in a 240 as well, personally ill be runnin a rb25 that will eat a 2j for a midnight snack

[suprabrit]

Yeah right Steve. We already had this conversation.

Nice try though. :toung:

[JDM Steve]

haha and what was after the convo, u supposed to roll out my way and didnt :(

[Mr. Kidd]

Or for less money, faster engine response, more torque, and better parts availability, got get yourself an LS1.

this is another common misconception. People are quick to throw out the LS1 is cheap.

It is NOT. I have consulted with people about both swaps. The LS1 is more expensive.

the prices of the motors are more, you need a GTO oil pan, you need mount kit, driveshaft, headers, radiator, etc. the fuel system is not as easy as a 2J or SR. netiehr is the clutch.

Also, i stress to people, alot of this is ASSUMING YOU ARE USING A SHOP TO DO THE WORK. the last LS1 swap i quoted was $12-14000

[Mr. Kidd]

i like RBs too, im not trying to BASH on them.

but what im saying is, if POWER is what you are aafter, you have to consider the 2J as a viable option.

I made 705whp out of my 2J with a stock bottom end. i rarely see that out of RB motors stateside

[v-empire]

Now, V-Empire before you go off remember:

1) this is marketing that does have alot of fact to it but yes it was done at a time i was trying to sell a service

2) Remember this is for guys WANTING TO MAKE MORE THAN 450whp, guys who street race an who are about drag racing

3) its not for everyone

i understand this is souly for marketing purposes. i wont bash a shop for trying.

its a research you did.

its a paper you wrote.

just like hundreds i did while i was in the university.

its my opinion and my thesis. its not factual, its perception and comfortablilty.
its a matter of prooving your case. nothing more.
for that you get applaud.

so did i when i did my thesis. its just graded. and you will be graded when you put your paper no the line for judgement. thats what you got in return.
i am not qualified to do that for you.

i already read this on freshalloy before they shut your post down.
where are you getting these number from?
your creditble sources? again, its not factual. it a matter of opinion an i can accept that.

its obvious to can make more power etc with a 2jzgte.
no body is arguing on that. in fact, everybody already knows that.

so, your selling point should have been:

2jzgte swap. 14 K, with single turbo conversion, bla bla bla....guaranteed 1001 whp.
TDF Mainstream Performance....2jzgte s-chassis kit.

not 2jz vs rb26 vs sr20 vs VQ vs L3 vs SP2 etc...
and then say, well, its an alternative. come get your kits.


so you started a debate even before you made friends.
or credibililty.
thats why marzworx or hyper dynamics can post on there and say, hey i got your tranny adapter plates in $1k, hey i got a 6.8L stroker kit for your SR and 2JZ, com get them, $20K......etc

so, my point is, i get yours.

but do you see how the rest of the people would perceive you? as a shop now, they couldnt care less about you.
NOW you represent your battlewound, and spermstream then (fictional shops to protect your identity) they look at your sig. and they will laugh.

the day after you posted that, i was on the phone with Dentsport, and mazworx, hyperD, enthalphy and a few others, were like omg...! and you know the rest........

i am sorry i had to post, but i wish i didnt coz it doesnt affect me. but when you post somethin glike that, dont expect others to follow suit.

good luck.

[hellfire]

i dont like the 2j in a 240 as well, personally ill be runnin a rb25 that will eat a 2j for a midnight snack

There is no way your RB will beat a 2J... :goodjob:

Tyler

[ThatS13Guy]

rb25 ftmfw!!!

[JDM Steve]

u keep thinkin that tyler u dont know as much as i know about the rb

[suprabrit]

Steve...give me a few more months, and we'll talk...lol.

[JDM Steve]

we'll talk, or actually race? :)

[suprabrit]

haha, actually race...duh.

[1800DialKyle]

i dont like the 2j in a 240 as well, personally ill be runnin a rb25 that will eat a 2j for a midnight snack

I am sorry steve but an rb25 will never beat a 2j in a straight line. Even your "500hp build" would not be enough to touch a 2j. As stated above someone made 705 on the stock bottom end when your full build is only yeilding 500.

Dont get me worng, I love rb motors. I am putting one in my car soon as well. But for straight line performance and crazy hp 2j will own all.

[1800DialKyle]

we'll talk, or actually race? :)

In a few months you are prolly just going to be talking.

[v-empire]

ouch

[swiftblaze]

Damn, that's harsh lol. You're grumpy when you wake up.

[Don Luis]

I have tried the LS1 swap, or better said attempted it it is not that hard if you work at chevy, know how to weld, have lots of time, and enough aleve for the road blocks. but for the normal Joe its scary, the time it takes to make it happen is too much, also 6mt tannys are harder to find than RB parts. You still have many options when it comes to the LS1, Hinson motorsports make a kit with most of the parts to swap it out. Like they did with the FD RX7, but when you break it all down I'm with you Mike It just easier with the 2jz to make the big boy power.

[suprabrit]

How many 1000+ hp RBs do you know of?

Now, how many 1000+ 2Js do you know of?

That's right. :goodjob:

[Decker]

i dont like the 2j in a 240 as well, personally ill be runnin a rb25 that will eat a 2j for a midnight snack

haha ... funny. You have to learn ho to handle the power first.

[Mr. Kidd]

id love to see an RB run down my 2j 240, any takers?

just curious.

remember my car is this one:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/Picture617.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/Picture628.jpg

:ninja:

[v-empire]

How many 1000+ hp RBs do you know of?

Now, how many 1000+ 2Js do you know of?

That's right. :goodjob:

becoz all you need is about 800awhp skyline to beat a 1000rwhp supra.

ok ok... just messing. i had too.....lol

2jz's are bad ass. we know that.

[Mr. Kidd]

LS1s are cool, and that may be my next swap since im wanting a vette really bad, an i cant justify spending $30,000 on the Z06 that im looking at.

that an i cant afford it hehe.

so an LS1 240 might be the logical step , but thats a few months from now.

can yo imagine an LS1 Silvia! god that would piss so many people off

[swiftblaze]

id love to see an RB run down my 2j 240, any takers?

just curious.

remember my car is this one:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/Picture617.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/Picture628.jpg

:ninja:

Damn, that's a clean car. :goodjob: I swear I've seen that car in person.

[suprabrit]

can yo imagine an LS1 Silvia! god that would piss so many people off

I'd be sleeping with one eye open...:ninja:

[omgwtfbbq]

This is race wars!!!

[Andy C]

I see what you are saying, but it is aginst my religion, morals, and desire to cross breed.

[DAsquintz]

This is race wars!!!

i bet he has more than a 100grand underneath that hood

[swiftblaze]

Heh, this topic has been beaten to death. It's really a matter of preference. I'm new to the whole 240 thing, but here's my take on this thread. The 2JZ is an awesome engine able to hold a ton of power reliably with very little internal work. However, I'm with some of the people above on crossbreeding and stuff. I love the 2JZ, and Decker's sounds badass. It really depends on what you want to do. Steve, I know you've never talked about wanting 1000+ HP, so the argument here is kinda pointless. The 2JZ is built for that, and can hold insane power. I like the RB25 or SR20 personally, since I wouldn't be planning on running an insane amount of power. I'd rather have a car that can handle great and be awesome in mountain runs instead of a 1000+ HP beast that would tear up the drag strip. In my opinion, I like the RB25 much better since it kicks out a good amount of power stock, has potential for decent power, and sounds mean as shit. I know you never talked about making the RB25 the fastest thing around, and it certaintly will not be with around 500 HP. However, it will be an awesome car in its own. This really isn't something to get all heated about. If you want a 2JZ, get a 2JZ. Do what you want and forget what other people say. This isn't a cock fight or a "mine's better/bigger than yours" competition. If we all built our cars like other people say, then the tuning seen would be utterly pointless in my opinion. You've always wanted that RB25, and rock that engine. Let's not turn this into a bashing thread, since we all like working on cars and a great tuner seen is where everyone respects each others shit and doesn't try to play the "I'm better" game. Well, that's just my 2 cents on the matter. Let's all freaking get along.

[suprabrit]

^ word.

I just want a gte damnit. But for the Soop.

[swiftblaze]

I hear that. I gotta save up for a swap now.

[suprabrit]

Your gettin a 2fizzle finally Chris?

[DAsquintz]

^ word.

I just want a gte damnit. But for the Soop.

a 1jzgte or 2jzgte

[suprabrit]

a 1jzgte or 2jzgte

2j, derr...lol ;)

[~The_Duke~]

2j, derr...lol ;)

Why would you waste your time on a 1jz...

[suprabrit]

In a mk3 yes, not in a 4 though...

[DAsquintz]

^who knows? but i was just making sure on the 2j :P

[~The_Duke~]

In a mk3 yes, not in a 4 though...

Yes this is true...

[DAsquintz]

but still even if i had a mk3 id swap in the 2j

[swiftblaze]

Yeah, I'm finally going to be reppin a 240. I figured I'd go to the dark side.

[~The_Duke~]

Nissans are better than mazdas anyway...

[RaNMaN]

^^ werd.

i just got my gte.

i like all of the motors mentioned above. if you want to build an awesome SR, build that awesome SR (i love to see and hear badass SR's) but if you're like me and you've always wanted a 2jz then get a fuking 2jz.

you should probably just ignore me though, i am just an engineering nut and wanted a 2jz to play around with.

[swiftblaze]

Yeah. I'm still keeping the Mazda lol. It's my daily driver.

[hellfire]

Heh, this topic has been beaten to death. It's really a matter of preference. I'm new to the whole 240 thing, but here's my take on this thread. The 2JZ is an awesome engine able to hold a ton of power reliably with very little internal work. However, I'm with some of the people above on crossbreeding and stuff. I love the 2JZ, and Decker's sounds badass. It really depends on what you want to do. Steve, I know you've never talked about wanting 1000+ HP, so the argument here is kinda pointless. The 2JZ is built for that, and can hold insane power. I like the RB25 or SR20 personally, since I wouldn't be planning on running an insane amount of power. I'd rather have a car that can handle great and be awesome in mountain runs instead of a 1000+ HP beast that would tear up the drag strip. In my opinion, I like the RB25 much better since it kicks out a good amount of power stock, has potential for decent power, and sounds mean as shit. I know you never talked about making the RB25 the fastest thing around, and it certaintly will not be with around 500 HP. However, it will be an awesome car in its own. This really isn't something to get all heated about. If you want a 2JZ, get a 2JZ. Do what you want and forget what other people say. This isn't a cock fight or a "mine's better/bigger than yours" competition. If we all built our cars like other people say, then the tuning seen would be utterly pointless in my opinion. You've always wanted that RB25, and rock that engine. Let's not turn this into a bashing thread, since we all like working on cars and a great tuner seen is where everyone respects each others shit and doesn't try to play the "I'm better" game. Well, that's just my 2 cents on the matter. Let's all freaking get along.

I agree. But nobody would have bashed steve if he didn't come in here all high and mighty.

Tyler

[hellfire]

Hahaha. Well maybe you'll read this before you pass out.

But.. The original post was only made due to a series of posts in a another thread requesting this paper. This paper was also written when Mike worked for Mainstream, who do 2J swaps. The paper is obviously going to try and market the 2J, as they were trying to hype up the swap. So he wasn't saying his was better, he doesn't even have a 2J car.

And secondly, a RB in a 240 is crossbreading. The only swap that would not be is an SR or CA.

But anyways...

Tyler

[swiftblaze]

Hahaha. Well maybe you'll read this before you pass out.

But.. The original post was only made due to a series of posts in a another thread requesting this paper. This paper was also written when Mike worked for Mainstream, who do 2J swaps. The paper is obviously going to try and market the 2J, as they were trying to hype up the swap. So he wasn't saying his was better, he doesn't even have a 2J car.

And secondly, a RB in a 240 is crossbreading. The only swap that would not be is an SR or CA.

But anyways...

Tyler

Doh, I deleted my previous post lol. I kinda felt like my previous post restated everything that I originally posted. It was one big repost lol. I didn't notice the other thread, but that makes perfect sense now. It did come across as marketing. Also, I know it is crossbreeding, but it's still a Nissan lol. However, the 2JZ does look badass in a 240 in my opinion. Plus, I love Decker's car. I still can't wait for that RB swap hehe. I gotta save up some more money.

[JDM Steve]

I am sorry steve but an rb25 will never beat a 2j in a straight line. Even your "500hp build" would not be enough to touch a 2j. As stated above someone made 705 on the stock bottom end when your full build is only yeilding 500.

Dont get me worng, I love rb motors. I am putting one in my car soon as well. But for straight line performance and crazy hp 2j will own all.


fuck straight lines u dont know me as well as u think i say 500 when really can mean any hp


In a few months you are prolly just going to be talking.
again u dont know shit when it comes to what i know so how much u wanna put on that kyle?:gay:


haha ... funny. You have to learn ho to handle the power first.


haha at leat i dont stall out like u do when u try to do a burn out


I agree. But nobody would have bashed steve if he didn't come in here all high and mighty.

Tyler


u really think i give a shit what others think? and do u think ur not all high and mighty every post u make? get off the high chair and come down to reality :goodjob:

[Decker]

haha at leat i dont stall out like u do when u try to do a burn out

mmmkay

[JDM Steve]

ive got video u wanna play games?

[v-empire]

did someone just wake up?

i need some coffee too.......sigh..so tired.

[Decker]

Play games? What the fuck are you talking about?

Keep up the e-thuggin Steve ...

[JDM Steve]

what does waking up have anything to do with posting? nothing.

i would have posted my thoughts last night but left the laptop in the shop.

[JDM Steve]

Play games? What the fuck are you talking about?

Keep up the e-thuggin Steve ...


e thug? lmfao ok decker.... come to the shop and we'll play

[Decker]

*sigh*

and that means what? You wanna fight me?

[JDM Steve]

if wanna talk shit and think u can thow some fists come at me.

[Cash]

Did you know the cubs have only won the world series twice? It was back to back in 1907 and 1908.

[Decker]

if wanna talk shit and think u can thow some fists come at me.

lol. you take this online stuff pretty serious. you're hilarious man ... +10 for you

[JDM Steve]

w/e im not here for points, obviously you tyler kyle have something against me and have no idea what i know about a rb25, yea 8 years on 3 skylines forums... tends to learn a few things.

[v-empire]

Did you know the cubs have only won the world series twice? It was back to back in 1907 and 1908.

screw the cubs, did you know how long the red sox went witout a world series? and they still believed? talk about the yankess sequel last two years....wow! what a comeback and defying stats.

[Decker]

It's not that I have anything against you ... I was just stating my opinon in the same cocky manner as you ... but obviously you took it a bit more serious than i did.

If you wanna hit me ... just let me know. I'll let you use me as a punching bag ... will it solve anything? I think not. I'll still think the exact same way I do now.

Anyways, I need to go to work. bye

[Cash]

yea, i don't like the cubs either. i was just trying to diffuse the situation.

[JDM Steve]

im not cocky, i was statting the facts at i could build a rb25 to outperform a 2jz thats all... when it boils down to it traction is your friend, have no traction in the mountians u are dead.


AND THIS IS SPEAKING IN TERMS OF A S-SERIES

[v-empire]

yea, i don't like the cubs either. i was just trying to diffuse the situation.

what situation? the cubs not winning or are you talking smack about my red sox????


WTH i am confused!
red sox nation, bitch!!!!!

all you yankess steal our players just because you have gulliani on your side, dont mean shit. get your own damn players! screw babe ruth that traitor!
michael bloomberg will pay for his sins and you bastards want pity for your beloved twin towers?, well, i am sorry to say, lady liberty is freakin ugly and she needs a new make over!!!! and you stink!

[Cash]

well in my eyes, everyone above the mason-dixon line is yankees, so that means the red sox are yankees too. :p

[v-empire]

ummmm...... you are wrong.

[Cash]

what did you say? i'm sorry..i can't understand your yankee accent..

[FlatWoodsMonster]

In terms of drag racing I think a full built RB and 2j would be pretty even but I don't know I don't drag race. But if I had to choose I would pick the RB26 because is so versatile. You see RB's in drag drift track racing endurance time attack even rally. Just think when was the last time you saw a record setting time attack Supra?:thinking: The only thing you see 2j's do is drag that***8217;s really it. In JGTC Toyota didn***8217;t even use the 2j in there GT500 cars they used a turbo 4 cylinder then later on they used the 1uzfe. Nissan on the other hand used the RB26. But any way thats just me the 2j is still a bad ass motor.:goodjob:

[v-empire]

why dont you stop by here, and i ll give you a nudge in your tummy you sexy pecan pie!!!!!

[FlatWoodsMonster]

why dont you stop by here, and i ll give you a nudge in your tummy you sexy pecan pie!!!!!


I will.

[v-empire]

step up to a supra owner is a r34gtr.
huh?
well thats what my uncle did anyways.
he bought a r33 and then an
r34. and sold the supra. but i dunno. i never actually owned a baddass supra nor a bcnr34.

we just mess around with them.

lol....its a matter of preferrence. they are both badassmuda's.

[Cash]

I would, but I have to drop my puppy off at mike vick's house for some training today.

[v-empire]

I would, but I have to drop my puppy off at mike vick's house for some training today.

damn, i left mine there for too long, they said i couldnt come ovary.
where the hell did you think of these stuff randomly??..lol... do you have the cnbc page open? hah!

[Cash]

nope, i'm just an expert in american culture. haha

actually, i learned the thing about the cubs on the airplane back from vegas. It was part of the trivia they put up on the screen after the in-flight movie.

the michael vick thing has been stuck in my head b/c i live 5 minutes away from the falcons training complex, and i drive past it going to work every day. the news people have been out there a lot recently.

[v-empire]

ok, i need a hug.

[Trap Star]

Fuck the cubs and the sox. Go braves!

[swiftblaze]

Fuck the cubs and the sox. Go braves!

Agreed! I've gone to a few Braves games and had a blast. I'm more of a hockey fan myself. I keep reading this thread and laughing. It's frustrating and funny at the same time. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one (I hope). We all have our opinions and leave it at that. Decker as a punching bag would be interesting though. :cheers: I couldn't fight, and I never will. I agree with Decker that physical violence isn't really going to solve anything. I guess it is inevitable with an internet forum. So, when does hockey start back up? I really want to go to another game.

[expo]

SPORTS !!!!!!

[hellfire]

again u dont know shit when it comes to what i know so how much u wanna put on that kyle?:gay:

haha at leat i dont stall out like u do when u try to do a burn out

u really think i give a shit what others think? and do u think ur not all high and mighty every post u make? get off the high chair and come down to reality :goodjob:


Well seeing as the point of the thread is HP, and pretty much straight lines, that is what we are talking about.

And I doubt you could even drive deckers car without stalling. He has an unsprung clutch. Its either on or off, and he never did a burnout before. So what if he stalled, his stalled burnout was as good as your drifting.. LoL.. And after he got the hang of it he was tearing it up, as far as burnouts go.

Yes, I do think you care what others think. Thats why you asked to be an Admin. Thats why in every post your are like "Reps for that??" "Where's my rep points for that" "I have the cleanest car on the site" LMAO..

No, I don't think I'm high and mighty. I just think its funny when someone who has only had an RB25 sitting in the corner of an storage unit, and just got their first running 240, acts like they are drift king.

Nobody has anything against you really. But cmon man, get back to reality.

Tyler

[swiftblaze]

Wii tournament! Let's all duke it out on Mario Party and winner can talk all the shit they want! :cheers: I just need to stop running off the board as soon as the mini game starts. I'm retarded when it comes to that game.

[hellfire]

LoL.. Yeah, I think you set the record for quickest death.

Tyler

[flip]

I wanna play Wii.

[swiftblaze]

Yeah, the seconds hadn't even started counting down when I died. I swear it hates me. Wii is a blast Flip! It was even more fun with the projector on the side of the house.

[Mr. Kidd]

have no idea what i know about a rb25, yea 8 years on 3 skylines forums... tends to learn a few things.

The Internet is not real life.

how many RB25s have you built, what have they made, what turbo have you run, what hp did they make, what did they run at the track, etc.

im looking for PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, not "i been reading for 8 years"

if you have none, then no offense, but your opinion doesnt not hold much weight.

Anyone can type on a forum an say "i can build something faster" but when you havent done it, then its just that, TALK

Not saying it isnt possible, but give me an RB25 and a 2J an $10,000 budget, 2j will always win, make more power, etc.

RB25 is a garbage motor, same with the RB20. they are cool for 300-400whp, and THATS IT.

RB26 is the only RB motor i give any kind of respect too

[swiftblaze]

The Internet is not real life.

how many RB25s have you built, what have they made, what turbo have you run, what hp did they make, what did they run at the track, etc.

im looking for PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, not "i been reading for 8 years"

if you have none, then no offense, but your opinion doesnt not hold much weight.

Anyone can type on a forum an say "i can build something faster" but when you havent done it, then its just that, TALK

Not saying it isnt possible, but give me an RB25 and a 2J an $10,000 budget, 2j will always win, make more power, etc.

RB25 is a garbage motor, same with the RB20. they are cool for 300-400whp, and THATS IT.

RB26 is the only RB motor i give any kind of respect too

This thread just needs to die already lol. I wouldn't say the RB25 and RB20 are garbage motors since they are only "cool" for 300-400whp. The RB26 is an awesome engine as well. I'm still fairly new to the whole Nissan thing, but I also have a lot of respect for the 2J. A garbage motor is only based on what you are looking for. I'm going to run an RB25 since I'm only looking for 300-400whp, and that engine is perfect for everything I'm looking for. I'd go with a 2J if I wanted to kick out an insane amount of power and make a great drag car. It's great to have a large selection of powerplants when considering builds since the 240 crowd can be pretty diverse. It all comes down to what the specific owner wants and their wallet of course. I understand your opinion on the RB25 and RB20 is that they are garbage, and I'm one to always respect the opinions of others. Also, your opinion is based on how much power they can hold. However, some people do enjoy running these for their own specific needs. From talking with Flip, Kyle, Steve, Tyler, Decker, and some of the other moderators this is a site where people should be able to do the things they want without getting their shit dissed on by someone who thinks they are better. This thread is a prime example of what goes on over at IA. Let's not let a perfectly good forum become infested with drama caused by a simple difference in opinion. I keep saying this over and over. Let's just get along.

[~The_Duke~]

The true nissan trash motors are the Q-series motors made by nissan. The QR25 and the QG18...

Very few people waste time and money building the QG18.

The QR25 has held about 550, but after 2 runs at the track it blew up as it was crossing the finish line the 2nd time. It is fairly common though to see them running about 350 ish if it makes it that far between eating cats, butterfly screws, and setting oil on fire. I think the car ran about a 11 at the 1\4 mile. I dont remember...

[swiftblaze]

The true nissan trash motors are the Q-series motors made by nissan. The QR25 and the QG18...

Very few people waste time and money building the QG18.

The QR25 has held about 550, but after 2 runs at the track it blew up as it was crossing the finish line the 2nd time. It is fairly common though to see them running about 350 ish if it makes it that far between eating cats, butterfly screws, and setting oil on fire. I think the car ran about a 11 at the 1\4 mile. I dont remember...

Yeah, they are definitely not good motors for insane power builds. Again, some people don't buy them for that purpose lol. I like the SpecV, and it does have potential to be a great well-balanced car. The Mazda3 engines are fairly crappy as well. They can hold around 300 to 400 with very little modification, but anything over that and it becomes a nightmare. That's why I backed off boosting the 3 and just went out and bought a s13.

[~The_Duke~]

But then again the Maz3 and the Specs werent really designed for such uses either.

There are RWD trannies for the QR, so if you really wanted to you could put it into a 240 or something. There was a guy on the B15 board building a QR powered 510 a while back.

[swiftblaze]

But then again the Maz3 and the Specs werent really designed for such uses either.

There are RWD trannies for the QR, so if you really wanted to you could put it into a 240 or something. There was a guy on the B15 board building a QR powered 510 a while back.

That is true. We both have economy cars that are a little faster than the base form lol. I personally wouldn't want to put a QR in a 240. I'm just going to do the RB25 since it seems to fit everything I'm looking for in the car. I've been looking at the SR as well, but I think I'll be more happy with the RB25. Is your Spec fixed yet? I know it was pretty messed up.

[JDM Steve]

Well seeing as the point of the thread is HP, and pretty much straight lines, that is what we are talking about.

And I doubt you could even drive deckers car without stalling. He has an unsprung clutch. Its either on or off, and he never did a burnout before. So what if he stalled, his stalled burnout was as good as your drifting.. LoL.. And after he got the hang of it he was tearing it up, as far as burnouts go.

Yes, I do think you care what others think. Thats why you asked to be an Admin. Thats why in every post your are like "Reps for that??" "Where's my rep points for that" "I have the cleanest car on the site" LMAO..

No, I don't think I'm high and mighty. I just think its funny when someone who has only had an RB25 sitting in the corner of an storage unit, and just got their first running 240, acts like they are drift king.

Nobody has anything against you really. But cmon man, get back to reality.

Tyler

why dont u shut the fuck up :goodjob: mind your own and not me. further more dont come over to my "shop" its boring when ur around. its funny how u act like a fucking twad on here but when u hang out u act like u never said anything. you dont know a thing about me so keep it that way.

[Tracey]

http://www2.victoriassecret.com/images/prodlgvw/V265222.jpg

[DAsquintz]

BOOOBIES!

[swiftblaze]

Boobies FTW! That should stop the agruing for a little bit.

[Tracey]

http://www2.victoriassecret.com/images/prodlgvw/V265241.jpg

[suprabrit]

lol, t&a always shuts men up. Always.

Good job Tracy! :goodjob:

[swiftblaze]

Yep! The trick is to look at it quick enough so I don't get caught by management.

[Tracey]

lol, t&a always shuts men up. Always.

Good job Tracy! :goodjob:

Just trying to help lolz

[suprabrit]

Just trying to help lolz

Ever pull the 'let's argue naked' trick?

Works like a charm. lol

[Tracey]

Ever pull the 'let's argue naked' trick?

Works like a charm. lol

I used to do that to my ex. Or in the middle of arguing, just flash him. Shut him up real quick.

[suprabrit]

Look, now it's just us talking in here. They're still staring at boobies. lol.

[DAsquintz]

Ever pull the 'let's argue naked' trick?

Works like a charm. lol

sounds like fun

[suprabrit]

sounds like fun

haha, don't any of you start with me... :toung:

[Tracey]

http://www2.victoriassecret.com/images/prodlgvw/V265220.jpg

http://www2.victoriassecret.com/images/prodlgvw/V243563_AU3.jpg

http://www2.victoriassecret.com/images/prodlgvw/V259762.jpg

[JDM Steve]

yummy

[swiftblaze]

Good job! Everyone here is calm now.

[Tracey]

Haha. My job here is done.

[JDM Steve]

Good job! Everyone here is calm now.

im fine till someone says some stupid ass remarks twards what i do and what i have.

[Decker]

Good job! Everyone here is calm now.

hot girls are nice to look at, but I don't think this is over yet.

[JDM Steve]

hot girls are nice to look at, but I don't think this is over yet.


:goodjob:

[JDM Steve]

haha here we go again


Who cares about how much you know? The fact is a 2j will rape your RB. Everyone knows that;)
Haha at least he can spell. :toung:
1.) Q: really think i give a shit what others think?

A: Obviously you do give a shit what others think... Thats why you brag about your RHD car... And if you didnt give a shit what others think you probably wouldnt be so defensive. You would just say ok guys, think what you want. Idk know if Iv'e read a single compliment from you to anyone else.. Most everything i have read is you saying some smart ass comment about your car... Or how you car is gonna be able to beat a 2j. lol.

2.) Q: and do u think ur not all high and mighty every post u make?

A: How many people accuse Tyler of being high and mighty? How many people are saying that you act high and mighty? I think you need a reality check. Just my opinion. Enough said.


your just as ignorant as the rest :yes: fuck a 2jz and fuck you.

[Andy C]

you see what cross breeding does? causes fights.

[JDM Steve]

you see what cross breeding does? causes fights.

it also brings out who people really are, obviously :goodjob:

[Tire]

haha here we go again




your just as ignorant as the rest :yes: fuck a 2jz and fuck you.

Actually I never said fuck you. I was saying that you might wanna practice what you preach. And you saying im as ignorant as the rest... Thats coming from the guy that wanted to argue over $5... I asked for it back nicely because I waited like everyone else but only got one hotdog. I work for ever penny of my money and I dont think $5 for one hotdog is a very smart way to spend my money. I was one of the first 4 to wait for the second batch of burgers then you gave them away to 3 people who havent eaten, and 1 person who had already had a burger when I was standing next to you the entire time waiting on one of those 4 burgers. I wouldnt have asked for my money back if you hadnt of been unfair and gave a burger to the guy who already eaten before serving the people who were still waiting. You were in the wrong and didnt want to admit it and give me back my $5 back. You are the ignorant one my friend.

[JDM Steve]

i wouldnt give u your $5 back and ur bitching like a 3 year old HAHA. your pathectic you tool.

[Decker]

im fine till someone says some stupid ass remarks twards what i do and what i have.



your just as ignorant as the rest :yes: fuck a 2jz and fuck you.

^stupid ass remark



it also brings out who people really are, obviously :goodjob:

yeah obviously. We're all finding out who you really are. You've surprised me Steve.

[JDM Steve]

like wise decker

[Decker]

Just don't take shit so personally man.

[flip]

why dont u shut the fuck up :goodjob: mind your own and not me. further more dont come over to my "shop" its boring when ur around. its funny how u act like a fucking twad on here but when u hang out u act like u never said anything. you dont know a thing about me so keep it that way.

This is no way for one of our moderators to respond. This ends now or people are leaving.

[JDM Steve]

Just don't take shit so personally man.

well then someone shouldnt say something about where my motor is what car its going why i havent put it in ext ect ect. did u ever before any of these posts see me talk about tyler and his things? NO

[Tire]

I'm not bitching. That was me making an example of how you are ignorant and not me. Im pretty sure you were the one acting like a 3 year old when i was asking for my money back. I dont remember to the exact words but you said something along the lines of "Fuck you man, Im not giving you your $5 back." How old are you? That sounds like a 3 year old to me. The first thing i said was "Hey man, I dont want to sound like a dick, But may i please have my money back?" then it went from there and i explained to you how i didnt feel $5 wasnt worth 1 cold hotdog. Any mature person would say, "You know what, I understand. Money doesnt grow off trees." and deal with giving the $5 back.

[flip]

I hate to lock this thread. It had a lot of good information in it and the potential to produce some great information.

Lets try to discuss things without getting heated and taking things personally. It works better that way. ;)

[Infinite]

lets behave children, no need for shit to get this childish