Unsatisfied with Mainstream Performance

[2JDave]

Im going to keep this short and too the point. These are the facts, im not bashing, im merely telling of my experience with a local shop that has left a sour taste in my mouth.

As many of you know i was a customer of Mainstream Performance. They did a 2JZGTE Swap with a general maintanence package and a single turbo conversion into my 91 240sx for $14,000. I have receipts i will scan and post when i get home.

My point of contact was Mike Corvey. I found him on the internet, and was referred to Mainstream to do the 2j swap after searching around locally for a shop that could pull it off. Mike gave me the price quote, i paid him money. To my knowledge Mike was just the front office person that worked FOR Charles Warren,the owner/mechanic, and Turbo Dave was a subcontractor that worked FOR CHARLES WARREN AND MAINSTREAM.

In the beginning everything was cool, i was treated very well, Mike was always giving me updates on the car and when its ETA of completion was going to be.

I received the car and it drove like a dream. I was very happy with the cleanliness of the swap and the service i was given. But this is where the problems start.

Shortly after i had the car back, i was asked about loaning the car to Mainstream to be put into a booth at FORMULA DRIFT ATLANTA. I was going to be out of town at the time so i agreed it was ok for the car to be used for the shops advertising purposes. At the time my car had 4lug 5 zigen wheels, and a FACTORY VLSD.

I show up on friday to take the car up to Fomula Drift with the MSPi Crew and my car has the WHITE VOLK TE37s and a 5 lug conversion done that was installed lat THURSDAY night WITHOUT my permission. It was explained to me that the 4 lug 5 zigen wheels werent "ballin" enough so a 5 lug was done to make the car accept the much nicer VOLK wheels. Ok no big deal.

I had purchased a 5 LUG FRONT from Turbo Dave that i did own. the rear end 5 lug conversion WAS NOT MINE.

I dropped the car off with Mainstream and headed out of town.

When i came back into town, the car was still 5 lug converted with the white volk wheels on it. They said i could PAY to put my 4 lug back on, or pay for the 5 lug swap and parts. Since i had never asked for the 5 lug to be done because i didnt own any 5 lug wheels, i was kind of pissed off that i would have to pay to have my ORIGINAL 4 lug stuff put back on.

So the car sat at mainstream for another 2 weeks, in that time frame i was asked if the car could be taken to CORDELE for a DRIFT 411 event. I agreed to let Turbo Dave take the car. I told him to call me the morning of the event an i would ride down to the Drift Event. I called several times that night an morning and i got no answer. SO i missed the event.

The following week I hunted down some 350Z 5 lug wheels, and brought them up to Mainstream. I was quoted by TURBO DAVE $900 for the 5 lug conversion and for the parts i was missing to finish the 5 lug swap.

In this time frame Mike left Mainstream and went to work for Batlground. He also became my roomate. While i understand the difference that MIKE and MAINSTREAM had, it should have NOTHING to do with me. Even mike has told me repeatedly to stay with Mainstream as they were the ones that built the car.

I hunted down some 5 lug 350Z wheels. i brought them to Mainstream to have Turbo Dave install on my car so i could finally drive it some 3 weeks AFTER the Formula Drift event.

I went an picked my car up on a friday night, and i was told that my ORIGINAL VLSD and AXLES wouldnt work. So i was left with someone elses WELDED LSD. So basically they never called me to see if i could fnid a diff or to inform me that my diff "wasnt usable" with the 5 lug conversion. more on that later.

2 weeks ago I was driving my car with Mike and the car started to sway violently back and forth. I pulled over and we inspected the car. The passenger side rear wheel was down to 1 lug nut. After inspecting all the wheels, i had only 4 lugs PER WHEEL. So either:

1) Magically only 1 lug nut per wheel fell off
or
2) THe more likely, only 4 lug nuts were put on per wheel, and i was never A) asked to buy 4 more lug nuts B) told that my $900 didnt come with 4 lug nuts.

While i dont hold them directly responsible, im trying to show a pattern of them making decisions without contacint me, the customer.

Here are the pics of the wheels:
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DSC04981.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DSC04979.jpg

as you can see , the wheel that had the lug nuts fall off, broke 2 studs in the process.

So, no big deal, again just left me stranded on the side of the road. I got it fixed at another shop and went on my way.

I then started to have overheating problems with my car. While it had been around 4 months, i contacted several other 2J swapped 240s that were done by mainstream, and they all complained of overheating issues as well. It was found to be the relay wiring in relation to the Slim Fans. I was going to contact mainstream to fix the problem until I looked and saw the wiring that was done:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DSC04974.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DSC04975.jpg

As you can see, the wires are crudely butt connected and some wires are exposed with no electrical tape. I was very unhappy with the quality of work, and decided to fix the problem myself. After adding another relay an properly soldering the wires together, my fan issue and overheating was solved.

So then im fixed an back on the road, until one day my car shuts off randomly leaving me on the side of the road. I call Mike, my roomate , and he comes out to look at the car. It was found to be a wire had pulled out of a relay in the trunk that was wired to the fuel pump.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DSC04980.jpg

Again, no electrical tape, no soldering, just crude wiring and halfassed.

Then i started getting curious about the rest of the wiring on the car, this is what i found:

ECU/SAFC/BOOST CONTROLLER WIRING
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DSC04978.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DSC04977.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/DSC04976.jpg

I have never had any problems out of the ECU or AFC or BC so i cant really say anything wrong, but i think the quality is definetly subpar for what i paid.

Now onto the most recent problems.

I checked around about my LSD and come to find out that my VLSD and MY AXLES could have worked, apparently it seems either Mainstream/Turbo Dave was too lazy to install my PROPER rear end and axles, or they fed me some story about how it wouldnt work.

Ever since i got the car back from Turbo Dave from the 5 lug swap its never felt as solid as it did before. I started to get some knocking in the front end and the car was very unstable.

At this point i simply didnt trust Mainstream anymore and i turned to another shop with Supra experience. I ordered all new suspension components thinking that all my bushings and tie rods were prob shot. After putting the car on the lift today i find this out:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/th_389f98b0.jpg (http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/Vteckidd/?action=view&current=389f98b0.flv)

So my ENTIRE Front suspension was loose hanging on by threads. Parts that i never had a problem with until AFTER the 5 lug swap was performed by Mainstream/Turbodave. Parts i know they had to remove an reinstall. I also found out that my front sway bar, was never put back on. I had one 3 months ago, and now , NOTHING. Now i cant directly blame it on Mainstream, but im starting to see a pattern now.

Lug nuts falling off
Suspension Loose
Parts being swapped out without my consent
Crude and shitty wiring
No front sway bar

If this isnt enough, i went to mainstream today to reclaim my LSD and my AXles to have it put back into my car.

Charles told me:
"i cant give you YOUR LSD back until i have the WELDED Diff and axles back from you."

I asked where my Front Sway bar was, and i was told "it was prob thrown out"

So he is holding my $300 LSD ransom becuase of some shitty Welded diff that i never asked to have installed and was installed without my knowledge an no phone call was made to me to tell me otherwise. and my front sway bar was thrown out.

I had PMed MAINSTREAM and EMMINDAGRAET about this matter. Charles told me that he has nothing to do with the 5 lug conversion since i paid turbo dave.

He says that Mainstream has no part in any of this because it was all through turbo dave.

My question is how can mainstream absolve themselves from the work that Turbo Dave does when he is EMPLOYED by them? I honestly thought that everything i was told by dave was gospel to charles since charles is the owner.

Apparently i was wrong. Turbo Dave is allowed to quote whatever he wants, do whatever he wants, and Mainstream can pick and choose when they are involved or not. How can charles hold my LSD ransom for a job he says he has NOTHING TO DO WITH?

I just feel severely mistreated after all the money i have spent there. Charles says that i have only spent $8900 with mainstream even though i have receipts for $14,000 from THEM.

Its obvious charles has no idea what his business and employees are charging or doing.

I actually want to say that in the beginning Mainstream was very helpfull. I was actually given help several times for free with my car. I just dont know where i went wrong and where all of the sudden my parts are not given back to me , decisions made without my consent, and i feel taken advantage of.

I wont be doing anymore business there, and im sure ill get flamed for this post. But the pictures should tell the story. After charles told me all that today, i feel no other action can be taken besides letting people no of my experience with Mainstream Performance/Turbo Dave.

Thanks
David

[Andy C]

I just read this on importatlanta.
I'm pissed for you man. I wont ever go there. Hope you get everything sorted out.

[babowc]

hm..
shady business.

i don ttake my shit to shops anyways. heh

[Wes]

Wow. Sorry bro.

[Decker]

was wondering when this thread would happen

[hellfire]

Hahah.. That reminds me of the wiring in Mike's car. Wonder who did all that?

And also, they didn't have to take that stuff off the front to do the 5 lug swap. Just the hub needs to be swapped. So they took all that stuff off for no reason. And who the hell takes a front swaybar off? LoL..

Go get your LSD back. The LSD and Axels have nothing to do with the 5 lug swap. At all.

Good luck man, and if you ever drive back up here to bumblefuck, I want a ride.

Tyler

[Tire]

Wow... that is terrrrible. I wont go to mainstream now if it was the last shop on the face of the planet. I feel bad for you.

[babowc]

btw..
how is msp defending their selves?

wasnt there a similar issue like this on IA with a guy named tank?
i dunno the entire story, but i know there were having some steak.

[hellfire]

I don't know everything, but Tanks motor was a POS.

Tyler

[Hammerhead-i Eaglethrust]

I feel for anyone else who goes there. Have you considered calling the better business bureau?

[turboedsileighty]

wow man that really sucks
sounds like they do some pretty shitty business, the only way that ur LSD & axles wouldnt work with the 5 lug hubs is if they used the turbo Z32 hubs, as these are different, & require the outside part of the Z's axle
but i dont see them doing all of that to do a 5 lug conversion
if it was me i would take em to court!
this is why im glad i do my own work

[2JDave]

btw..
how is msp defending their selves?





THIS IS HOW CHARLES RESPONDED!
ENJOY!

WHO TALKS ABOUT A CUSTOMER WHO SPENT 14k WITH THEIR SHOP?

Here we go again, DD on a roid rage again. That is funny how you DIDN'T SAY A FUCKING WORD TO ME ABOUT THIS TODAY WHEN YOU JUST STOOD IN THE BACK AND STAYED QUIET. I guess you went home, shot up and now you are all hard, with what little bit you have left to get hard with. I will respond to the BS that he said shortly, I have to take care of my newborn baby first, more important things in life then this BS.

[Andy C]

Your such an ass hole for being pissed about everything fucking up. Its not like your wheels staying on is important or anything or the fact that they stole from you. Who needs lug nuts anyway?

[turboedsileighty]

have u decided what u are going to do about it yet?

[down_shift]

unfortunate if true

[omgtofu]

geeyod dayyyumm.

[babowc]

lol@MSPi
shhhhhady.

hope you get the money back..
saw the discussion on IA.

sucks to be you.. bite them in the ass.

[v-empire]

well, i am sorry to hear that.

it seems to me you werent familiar about the car, given that, it gives people and excuse to give you an excuse. that part was your fault or loss.

but, they are also wrong because it shouldnt be an excuse and they should be more truthful about it. thats their loss and wrong..

however, i am only going to take this as a grain of salt because its only coming from one person/source. not being skeptical but i m not in the position to judge.


when i was reading it, i was like what is he talking about...lol it should work, axels, 5 lug...etc. 900 bucks? whoa. wth. $14,000 for a 2jz gte ? 477 whp only? good lord.

but regardless. the motor mounts will cause the bolts etc to be loose and you have to learn to be hand on. you have to check for every other bolts occasionally. they tend to come loose with any solid mounts. so no blame there, you should know this.

the 4 lugs nuts...ewwww i dunno, that sucks.

wiring? eewww.....

over heating? hmm....i think that could be worked out.

sway bar issue? i fell to the floor.

other than that. thanks for your input and i wish both of you the best.



THAT FUCKING SUCKS, tho !!!!!!!!!

here is a pic and hope it make you feel better.

http://www.bigplansbigcrash.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/hot-blonde.jpg

[Infinite]

i liked it when mike was there. i'll go to batlground from now on

[Tire]

That pic just made me feel better. :)
it seems to me you werent familiar about the car, given that, it gives people and excuse to give you an excuse. that part was your fault or loss. I don't exactly agree with that. Because the reason they had to make up an excuse is because they did something they should not have done in the first place. Whether he knew enough about the car or not doesn't really matter. They were making up an excuse to get away with doing something wrong.

[v-empire]

^ yes. read next few sentences....... its their wrong doing for doing that.

but my rule of life is, dont give others a chance to fool you. somethings are inevitable but 95% they arent, its pure carelesness.

[Ks14slider]

i am glad i read this, i was about to leave two of my cars with them. fuck that

[Cash]

$14,000 is so much money. Surely you can get a 2j swap done for cheaper than that..

[v-empire]

chris cash money in da bank, i ll do a 2j swap for you :)
coz you are gorgeous!

no sex questions please. i m taken for the week.

[240sxautox]

I say..


LAWSUIT.


1. That front suspension being held on by threads alone.. that just paid for your entire motor swap, and a down payment on a house.

2. Work being performed without your consent, and then telling you to pay for work you never wanted done- just strengthens the case.

Seriously, have a lawyer give them a call- they'll want to settle out of court. They don't want you to own mainstream. I mean really, a wrongful death settlement can get up there- not the mention if you didn't die from the suspension going out, the medical bills.

[JDM Steve]

haha ive heard something like this before from repost with his front left wheel coming off RIGHT AFTER TUNE AT MAINSTREAM

[Cash]

chris cash money in da bank, i ll do a 2j swap for you :)
coz you are gorgeous!

no sex questions please. i m taken for the week.

haha, I just realized that I don't understand atleast 50% of your posts, but it's through that consistent misunderstanding in which I understand. This is Dave. This is Sexy Pants. Don't search for meaning. Just go with it.

[Trap Star]

I think I would kill somebody if this happend to me. Hope you get everything sorted out. Looks like mainstream is going down hill fast.

[v-empire]

haha, I just realized that I don't understand atleast 50% of your posts, but it's through that consistent misunderstanding in which I understand. This is Dave. This is Sexy Pants. Don't search for meaning. Just go with it.

see...someone understands me. :)

[Mr. Kidd]

$14,000 wasnt that bad considering:

a stock 2J swap from them is $10,000
A single turbo conversion was done which means turbo, manifold, wastegate, bov, oil lines and labor to remove that almighty Twins which takes 6 hours
Regular Maintanence was replacement of the Oil Pump, Timing Belt, Water Pump, water pump pulley, belts, cam seals, rear main seal, frnt main seal an all the labor to do it.

The problem it seems is that Mainsteam wont take responsiblilty for their actions or admit to any wrong doing.

What hes asking is not unreasonable, he just wants his original LSD back.

my .02, especially since i used to run the place.

[Cash]

Yea, I agree that what he's asking for is totally reasonable. I wouldn't stand for someone adding parts to my car that I didn't ask for and then demanding money for the removal of those parts. That's very unethical. Everything he described sounds unethical.

I just didn't realize a 2J swap was so expensive. I undersand it's an expensive motorset, and the labor is more extensive than an SR swap, but $10,000 is a lot of money. I guess that's why there aren't a whole lot of guys riding around with 2J's in their 240's.

There's a whole lot of badass cars you can get for $14,000, but I know some people have to have their own project. This car for instance: http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=149745

[Mr. Kidd]

the 2J caters to the guys wanting to make more than 600whp.

and to do it with an SR The CORRECT Way , FROM A SHOP , is prob more money than the 2j.

i mean 2jdave makes 500whp with ease and is injectors away from making 600whp and is a turbo away from making 700whp RELIABLY.

you just dont see that from SRs so much.

plus the motor is damn near indestructible, the transmissions hold up to 800whp, etc.

its not for te average person, and its def not for the average budget

[badass240]

damn bro that fuckin sucks, 14k, and they treat u like that, shit, if i was a shop owner gettin 14k from u, ur car would be done right, no questions asked.

[v-empire]

i m sorry to say this, but i disgree on the whole comapring 2jz and sr20det on cost and 600 whp....etc.
its not cheaper than an sr20det, thats for sure.

2jz swaps do not cost that much, unless you are making 5k profit on labor for a direct swap. which will take 2 days max to do the swap with all the parts.

then the single turbo, injector, ecu etc....... 4k more? not with that turbo option. but thats not bad.
its a shop and they deserve to make every penny out of it, because its their venture and they are providing a service.
but you cant justify saying its what it costs.



its an option yes, but its not the most practical.

second you are comparing apples to oranges here.

third, the 2jz swap isnt that bad.

forth, there are other less expensive with more power options than the 2jz for s-chassis, on a budget .

fifth, you are missing the whole point of the sr20det.

sixth, you guys must definitely come from a drag racing background.

tenth, the 2j is not better than an rb26


but thats my opinion.

the car is nice. hope he has better luck with it.

[Mr. Kidd]

its not cheaper than an sr20det, thats for sure.

WRONG add it up, i guarantee you what it takes to do it RIGHT, is more than a 2j swap and you will STILL have problems with the SR.


2jz swaps do not cost that much, unless you are making 5k profit on labor for a direct swap. which will take 2 days max to do the swap with all the parts.

Proof that you prob have never done a 2j swap, dont know what it takes to do one, and have no idea what you are talking about.


then the single turbo, injector, ecu etc....... 4k more? not with that turbo option. but thats not bad.
Yeah it really is that expensive to do a SINGLE TURBO KIT on a supra engine. An remove the factory twins that takes about 6-8 hours. You prob never have owned a supra, google SINGLE TURBO SUPRA KITS


its a shop and they deserve to make every penny out of it, because its their venture and they are providing a service.
but you cant justify saying its what it costs.
Absolutely you can, and my pices i can prove it.




second you are comparing apples to oranges here.

third, the 2jz swap isnt that bad.


forth, there are other less expensive with more power options than the 2jz for s-chassis, on a budget .

Please dont say LS1 or RB26, they are NOT CHEAPER and if you think they are, then do more research.


fifth, you are missing the whole point of the sr20det.
no your missing the point of the @J swap an WHO it appeals too. its not for road racers an auto x people or drifters. its for STREET RACERS AND DRAG RACERS.


sixth, you guys must definitely come from a drag racing background.
correct


tenth, the 2j is not better than an rb26

Depends what you are comparing. in terms of POWER, 2J IS FAR SUPERIOR THAN AN RB26. The only time i owuld even consider an RB26 is if i was building a road racing car. thats it.


remember i have owned 700whp 2J 240s and 400whp SR.

i know the difference

[v-empire]

lol....sorry if any of that offended you. didnt meant for you to take it that way.

i do think i know what i am talking about. if i didnt, i wouldnt say anything.

:)

[v-empire]

if you can, name me the parts needed for a 2 jz swap to a 240.

add it up.

post it on here.

and we shall compare.

thanks.

[Mr. Kidd]

if you can, name me the parts needed for a 2 jz swap to a 240.

add it up.

post it on here.

and we shall compare.

thanks.

I wrote a 10 page paper on this topic, ill post it over here.

a 2J swap takes EVERYTHING that an RB26 swap takes, but the MOTORS THEMSELVES ARE CHEAPER.

US parts Availability is way more common with the 2J since we actually got them in US cars, unlike the RB

For what it takes to build a 600-700whp RELIABLE SR, you can do a 2j cheaper

[v-empire]

well, its not going to be a ten page paper.

i just would like to see the list for a conversion.

like

motor set
drive shaft
motor & tranny mounts
wiring options
exhaust options
cooling options


also, there isnt a need for a 600 hp sr20det or 800....its more of trying to see the limits more than practical.

i am not arguing that a rb26 is cheaper than a 2jz also. but they are very close.

[lazyboi444]

I would love to see this Ten page paper also. lol....And RB26 has same support just have to wait longer on parts...Who cares as long as you can get the parts and not pay arm and leg for it...Have you done or priced a RB26 swap 2JZ>RB26? By the way you are speaking i'm' thinking No. So the grass is always greener on the other side. But i'm waiting on this Paper...lmao...

[v-empire]

a shop should charge 14k or 10k or whatever for a swap. i am not diagreeing. if i were a shop i d charge more.

the job has to be right. but what i am saying is that you and i know that its not that much for the swap.
so comparing that to other options, its not the cheapest.

a customer with a kouki s14 just came to my place with a ls1 cams, exhaust and some tuning with a little more power than what your roommate is putting down. XAT racing did the swap. 11k . shell to finish.

sofo85392-1+13930 was there when he came.

there are options.


thanks.

[Mr. Kidd]

The only thing my paper didnt compare was th KA-T because IMO there arent many RELIABE KA-Ts out there that are making the power to even compare to a RB or 2J.

Also, the KAs still have alot of the same problems as the SRs

[lazyboi444]

So much talk on this paper...

[zcrew]

yeah, i need some good reading too....

[Z infidel]

Wow thats alot of money for a car thats only good for straight lines.

[Trap Star]

Wow thats alot of money for a car thats only good for straight lines.

But it does it pretty damn fast. You could say the same thing about a lot of cars that come from a factory. For instance a Mustang.

Honestly from all the research i've done, and pricing (I have a spreadsheet someplace on my computer) the 2jz swap can be pretty expensive, even when you do it yourself. 14k doesn't seem to far off to me. I'm surprised mainstream used to do it for around 8k. All of the larger swaps are going to be pretty expensive because you are doing major modification to the car. LS1, RB26, 2JZ, all of these are very labor intensive, not to mention the amount of parts that are needed to do them. However, if you are looking to make big power, these are very practical motors to use.

Thats just my view on it, but then again I have a lot left to learn about 240's, hell I have a lot left to learn about cars in general.

[Decker]

Wow thats alot of money for a car thats only good for straight lines.

why do you say it's only good for straight lines?

[Mr. Kidd]

no one has really roadraced a 2j 240, we have drifted one, and it drifted fine.

[Trap Star]

why do you say it's only good for straight lines?

Cause second gear swings the back end around. Lol.



I keed, I keed.

[Leeelan]

i think the owners daughters go to my skool...their twins and their pretty attractive! not sure though

[The Bean]

ROFL ^

[Casey]

was wondering when this thread would happen

so have you had bad experience with them decker?
hell i saw your car ill vouch for the quality worksmanship on yours.
they learned on your car though


no one has really roadraced a 2j 240, we have drifted one, and it drifted fine.

its good for what its made for...
put a ton of downforce on it. build and tune the suspention and get some serious brakes... strengthen the chassis ... run longer gears... alot of money can make a 700hp 2jz 240 a high speed monster...
but the chassis isnt built for that much power... its just light.

[TheBigT]

ive never been a fan of swapping motors in from different makes of cars. if its nissan keep a nissan engine in there. if its a toyota keep a toyota engine in there. sorry for your loss. i really hope all this gets worked out.

[Hammerhead-i Eaglethrust]

^^I hold that view to an extent. I don't mind the 2jz swap for some reason, as long as it's sort of rare, but don't feel the same about an LS1 in a 240. The only american motor in a japanese car I respect is LS1 into RX7. And that is because rotaries suck unless you're a tuning genius. I like the LS1 because it saves rx7s from sitting around rotting.

[S14Addiction]

So sorry to hear about it!! :mad: All motor debates aside, any updates or resolution??

[FlyingStroke240]

sorry about your lost

[MOOREOFSTEPHEN]

That sucks dude! Hit up kill switch bro! They will take care of you!

[Neejay]

Any updates on this?

[RPS13]

ive never been a fan of swapping motors in from different makes of cars. if its nissan keep a nissan engine in there. if its a toyota keep a toyota engine in there. sorry for your loss. i really hope all this gets worked out.

I agree

I thought MSP was a honda shop. I always heard the ricers talkin about hangin out there or gettin work done.

[v-empire]

you guys are all whacked in the head! haha

well, mainstream isnt as bad as it seems.
Turbo Dave is a cool cat and he does work beyond the call of duty for on a sunny day, and he does them well.
i dont have experiences with the other guys just know of them, but i have nothing bad to say because there is nothing bad to say.

Turbo Dave is sexy pants.

Whiners are possibly the most (intentionally) annoying characters to ever recur in a relationship or even as a customer. it proves that they should be alone and under a rock.

[My Name Is NICK!]

That 240 was for sale on craigslist a few weeks ago.

[Hammerhead-i Eaglethrust]

you guys are all whacked in the head! haha

well, mainstream isnt as bad as it seems.
Turbo Dave is a cool cat and he does work beyond the call of duty for on a sunny day, and he does them well.
i dont have experiences with the other guys just know of them, but i have nothing bad to say because there is nothing bad to say.

Turbo Dave is sexy pants.

Whiners are possibly the most (intentionally) annoying characters to ever recur in a relationship or even as a customer. it proves that they should be alone and under a rock.

hmmm, I'm trying to interpret your post.... So are you pro-turbodave or are you anti-turbodave? Not that it really means much in the grand scheme of things I'm just curious.

[Mr. Kidd]

Turbo dave is a GREAT fabricator, his wiring leaves something to be desired.....i know PERSONALLY and so does Tyler

If you need a roll cage, manifold, or anything FABRICATED, he is the MAN. there prob isnt anyone better in GA that can weld or fabricate like he can.

But id would never have him do any kind of wiring for me ever again. My 2j 240 and my Silvia were extremely sub par.

but i dont work there anymore either, so i doubt ill ever see him

[carlova78]

do you guys actually call him 2jdave?

dude u must be a happy man owning 2 monster 240s.

[My Name Is NICK!]

2jdave ins NOT turbodave. They are 2 different people.

[carlova78]

omg y r there so many daves. w/e turbo dave then

[Casey]

turbo dave = fabricator, works at mainstream performance, not on the forums here.

2jdave = had a 2jz-gte swap done by mainstream performance.

v-empire = dave, owns emissions stand, posts pictures, and is into donkeys

[carlova78]

ok got it. then 2jdave is the guy posting above you? he must be a happy man

[Mr. Kidd]

Ok to sum up all the confusion:

I AM MIKE, i USED to work for mainstream performance, i NOW work for BATLGROUND

I USED to own a 2 tone 2JZ 240sx that made 705whp WHILE I WORKED FOR MAINSTREAM PERFORMANCE. TURBO DAVE BUILT THE CAR. I SOLD THE CAR WHEN TURBO DAVE POPPED THE MOTOR AT THE DRAG STRIP.

I NOW OWN A RHD SILVIA, THAT TURBO DAVE USED TO WORK ON FOR BRIAN HARBINSON AKA SILVIADRIFTR

The wiring in my 2J 240sx was HORRIBLE and so was my silvia. HellFire can attest to that.

TURBO DAVE is a GREAT FABRICATOR, but after my experiences with him, i would never have him wire ANYTHING.

2JDAVE is the guy that started this thread, he owns a BLACK S13 with a 2j swap, but no longer lives in GA.

[Hammerhead-i Eaglethrust]

Yeah, I think I sort of mixed up Turbo Dave with 2jdave in my previous post. I knew better, but just got mixed up and thought dave (v-empire) was talking about 2jdave. In fact I even read it like that in my mind somehow if that makes sense.... And now, v-empire's post makes more sense!

[v-empire]

lol^ mike!
its better off leaving this kid confused then otherwise. lol

pro- turbo dave.
good man, sexy pants, moonshiner!

anti- whiners. expect too much for not so much.

[carlova78]

so 2jdave did all the stuff for mike. mike u must be a happy person

[Mr. Kidd]

No 2jdave never did anything for me. I worked for the shop that built his car by TURBO DAVE

[Hammerhead-i Eaglethrust]

Give up man, he's never going to get it...

[Casey]

lol did i not explain it well enough?

gah...

kid you dont know these people
dont worry about it

[v-empire]

viperblah is right.

[Neejay]

viperblah is right.

lol @ "viperblah"

[Casey]

:(

dave likes picking on me

[v-empire]

:(

dave likes picking on me

rate viperblah's camel toe

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f369/redempire16/scaled20dina.jpg

[Casey]

this is what he does in his spare time.... ^
weirdo

[v-empire]

no, thats u sitting there with your guitar. at least you smiled.

[Casey]

oh i know right?
smiling is the key

[hellfire]

The wiring in my 2J 240sx was HORRIBLE and so was my silvia. HellFire can attest to that.


Yes, and if you think yours was horrible, you should see Deckers. His car turns on and off and stumbles if someone has their foot by the ECU... :thinking:

Tyler

[Mr. Kidd]

Yes, and if you think yours was horrible, you should see Deckers. His car turns on and off and stumbles if someone has their foot by the ECU... :thinking:

Tyler

yeah, i saw his when he was over here at Batlground one day.

I feel really bad that i was there when it all went down, but again i wasnt the mechanic i was just the front office.

i know hes in good hands now :cheers:

[Hammerhead-i Eaglethrust]

why don't you fix it for him?

[Casey]

they probably will before he goes single turbo. =D

oh and decker it might be a good idea if youre pushing 600 hp ... to get an aem wideband gauge and sensor... and some other security stuff... since this is your daily ...

[hellfire]

why don't you fix it for him?

Me or Mike? Its not Mike's fault really, and he can't just have a different shop fix his old shops mistakes for free.

And we will be rewiring, and fixing up anything else when his motor comes out soon for the single setup.



oh and decker it might be a good idea if youre pushing 600 hp ... to get an aem wideband gauge and sensor... and some other security stuff... since this is your daily ...

He is. But he doesn't have to get an AEM. There are plenty of companies that make WB02 sensors. And it won't be his daily after he goes single. He has a CRX as well.

Tyler

[Casey]

Me or Mike? Its not Mike's fault really, and he can't just have a different shop fix his old shops mistakes for free.

And we will be rewiring, and fixing up anything else when his motor comes out soon for the single setup.



He is. But he doesn't have to get an AEM. There are plenty of companies that make WB02 sensors. And it won't be his daily after he goes single. He has a CRX as well.

Tyler

sweet about the wiring =D...
i dont understand the point of doing terrible wiring... it just creates problems...
but w/e =D no worries yall will fix =D

i forsee you doing a 2jz swap in the future tyler lol

yeah i kno aem isnt the only CO that makes widebands
probably one of the most popular though... and its
the only one i really researched. so idk lol

i thought his crx was broken? or maybe he just doesnt drive it much... lol

but yeah i know what turbo he is getting =D
we have turned him into proud garrett owner :)

[Mr. Kidd]

im trying to talk him into the GT40XX, tell him to quite being a pussy

[RaNMaN]

I am satisfied with the 2jz swap that they did for me.

People really shouldn't be talking bad about Mainstream that do not have first hand experience in dealing with them, it's called slander and yes you can be sued for it. Personally I can say that they have gone out of their way several times to accommodate me.

The wiring job they did on my car is not that bad, they just do not seem to have experience with some of the more modern/advanced techniques used for wiring. I can say this because I am a Certified Technology Specialists by Infocomm international and I wire up massive audio/video videoconference systems for a living. There are a few flakes to the swap but I can't find anybody that has it totally figured out.

They are some good guys just trying to make a honest living doing something they enjoy. The swap is still somewhat new to them, they warned me about it long before I dropped my car off.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2252000-2252999/2252898_37_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2252000-2252999/2252898_38_full.jpg

[Casey]

I am satisfied with the 2jz swap that they did for me.

People really shouldn't be talking bad about Mainstream that do not have first hand experience in dealing with them, it's called slander and yes you can be sued for it. Personally I can say that they have gone out of their way several times to accommodate me.

The wiring job they did on my car is not that bad, they just do not seem to have experience with some of the more modern/advanced techniques used for wiring. I can say this because I am a Certified Technology Specialists by Infocomm international and I wire up massive audio/video videoconference systems for a living. There are a few flakes to the swap but I can't find anybody that has it totally figured out.

They are some good guys just trying to make a honest living doing something they enjoy. The swap is still somewhat new to them, they warned me about it long before I dropped my car off.

http://memicomain.net/member_images/8/web/2252000-2252999/2252898_37_full.jpg

httpge.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/2252000-2252999/2252898_38_full.jpg

well first off, no one here is guilty of slander from what i see.
when you talk "badly" about a corporation or buisness. you cite refrences.
aka, so and so told me so and so... the only type of slander you will ever get convicted of is going out of your way to try and wrongfully destroy a person or companys reputation...

secondly. people post pictures of their complaints.

like you said, above... the tecniquies used for wiring are most important in a vehicle, because of vibrations. a home theater system is a permanant non moving instalation. simple clips and wire holders are fine.
in a car a perfect circuit joint is needed. solder. heat shrink...

like to be honest, if i need something fabbed up ill go to him for it. ive seen his manifolds
he makes some sick stuff.

[v-empire]

i like turbo dave's accent.

[Casey]

i like turbo dave's accent.

lmfao

[RaNMaN]

well first off, no one here is guilty of slander from what i see.
when you talk "badly" about a corporation or buisness. you cite refrences.
aka, so and so told me so and so... the only type of slander you will ever get convicted of is going out of your way to try and wrongfully destroy a person or companys reputation...

secondly. people post pictures of their complaints.

like you said, above... the tecniquies used for wiring are most important in a vehicle, because of vibrations. a home theater system is a permanant non moving instalation. simple clips and wire holders are fine.
in a car a perfect circuit joint is needed. solder. heat shrink...

like to be honest, if i need something fabbed up ill go to him for it. ive seen his manifolds
he makes some sick stuff.

i agree with you viperbite i don't see any slander but i felt like that is where this conversation was headed. i have been watching this post and think that Mainstream has been getting a "bum rap." In reality they are skilled mechanics and their service for me has been great.


i like turbo dave's accent.

i like your 240.

[Casey]

i agree with you viperbite i don't see any slander but i felt like that is where this conversation was headed. i have been watching this post and think that Mainstream has been getting a "bum rap." In reality they are skilled mechanics and their service for me has been great.


i like your 240.



there's a reason theyve been around for a while and will stay around for a while.
they do good work. but ive seen some shizzy stuff out of there that made me cringe. but regardless. i wont take my car to a shop i would much rather learn myself. i might get a wire harness made though.

and yes daves s13 is pimp

[v-empire]

i like your 240.

aww.. thanks.
i like your too.
so fresh and so clean!




and yes daves s13 is pimp

why thank you, sir.

hope you will like its new look soon.

[Casey]

aww.. thanks.
i like your too.
so fresh and so clean!



why thank you, sir.

hope you will like its new look soon.

yeah you should post a few pics =D

[Mr. Kidd]

i agree with you viperbite i don't see any slander but i felt like that is where this conversation was headed. i have been watching this post and think that Mainstream has been getting a "bum rap." In reality they are skilled mechanics and their service for me has been great.



i like your 240.

They arent getting a bum rap, pics and documentation have been posted. Hows that slander or how is that not telling the truth?

Bottom line is i have spent far too much money trying to UNRAVEL Turbo Daves fuck ups on my Silvia and my old 2JZ 240. I spent $10,000 on my 2JZ 240, I EVEN PAID TURBO DAVE (WHO DIDNT WANT ANY MONEY) TO DO THE SWAP AND I WORKED THERE. I PROVIDED 80% of all parts.

WHat i got was half assed wiring, a blown motor, and when i left mainstream he refused to return SEVERAL items that BELONGED to me like:
MY 2JZ CYLINDER HEAD ($500)
SLAVE CYLINDER
ALTERNATOR
STARTER

He also refused to release to me my car or any of my parts until i settled a bill he had accrued through MAINSTREAM that had NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. the bill was $577 for parts he had bought an never paid for.

Now remember, i WORKED THERE, I RAN MAINSTREAM, yet they woudlnt release my car after i left. Turbo Dave also wouldnt release the title to Grey Green until after i had paid his bill. And when i got the car towed from Mainstream to my new job, he threw my Motor, transmission, STILL FULL OF OIL in the back of my trunk. REALLY PROFESSIONAL.

I then bought the RHD Silvia from Brian Harbinson. Turbo Dave had done alot of work to the car, and i knew what i wa sgetting into when i bought it. I got the car, looked it over, and the wiring was 10times worse than what was showed in this thread. How about UNSHIELDED SPEAKER WIRE being the ground for the AEM EMS:lmfao: How about hard wiring the fuel pump twisted to the terminal? how about the 8 gauge wire that went to the battery, then back out to 4 gauge to a killswitch, then looped back to the fuel pump, then back to the battery LOL.

I mean the wiring was a fucking nightmare, and it was obvious he had no clue what he was doing, or did it really fast.

Tyler aka HellFire can attest to my car, Deckers car, and 2JDaves car.

When i worked for mainstream, i was the buffer between Charles and Dave and the customers. I ALWAYS tried to take care of the customer, and people will vouch for that. I protected the customer, ask decker how many times he got stuff for free because of TDF fuck ups. i can think of at least 3 off the top of my head.

Charles of Mainstream and Turbo Dave have no loyalty, no spine, no credibility and no respect. Charles LAID ME OFF and when i got offered a job by a couple of different organizations, i took one, with batlground. they branded me a traitor, and told me how i was selling out , etc. THEY GOT RID OF ME?!!!!!

So, excuse me if my opinion of Turbo Dave is less than that of everyone else. i have the MOST expierience with him out of anyone. Hell, IM RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THEIR 2JZ SWAPS! no one was gonna do them until i packaged it, marketed it, SOLD it to people.

I MADE THE 2J SWAP WHAT IT IS IN GA NOW. Sorry if thats arrogant, but its the truth. Daves 1st 2J swap was no one near what they offer today. I am the one that packaged it all together an made the pricing that THEY FOLLOW TODAY.

So, Turbo Dave, Great fabricator, other than that, i woudlnt let him fix my Huffy 10 speed bike.

Mainstream, James is a good guy, charles can jump off a cliff, take a long walk down a short pier, etc. i have no respect for him.

-Mike

PS: The guy that originally took your money, talked to you, and got you the quote at Mainstream on your S14 RanMan :wave:;)

[RaNMaN]

-Mike

PS: The guy that originally took your money, talked to you, and got you the quote at Mainstream on your S14 RanMan :wave:;)

yeah dude, i've knew it was you. :wave: how are things working out for you at BATLground? i know i need to come check out the shop and say hi, i've been super busy getting ready to move into a house again.. finally.

i didn't know wtf had happen between you and mainstream but since i had already put money down when you were taken out of the equation there was nothing i could do but go along for the ride. i didn't really talk to anybody else up there but i had met Rob and James before so they sort of helped pick up things where you left off.

i want you to know that one of the first things i did was mention to Charles that if you guys were paid a commission for sales that you should get the commission from my swap. you had convinced me to trust them to do the swap in the first place. i told him that they were still going to have to do an awesome job because thats what you had promised me.

And you were right turbo Dave is a great fabricator and Rob has been a huge help too, i have to give him props. i didn't watch them working on my car so i don't know exactly who had a hand in what but my car turned out really well.

i'm really sorry that things got so ugly between you, turbo dave and mainstream. you guys had a good thing going on there for a while. i didn't know that they had tried to do you wrong and until now i never heard anything else about it. i hope to see you around soon, be sure to say hi if you see me.

[Mr. Kidd]

Im glad they took care of you man.

There are alot more reasons that i wont go into on the public forums of why we parted ways. i really didnt have any animosity until AFTER i left when i heard things that were being said about me from over there.

Even after i left, i had 4 guys ready to put deposits down on 2j swaps that i could have taken with me to Batlground, but i didnt do that. I told them to sttay with Mainstream.

James is the only one over there that i have any respect for anymore, and who has any sense of professionalism.

But anyways, im glad you are happy with the car, enjoy it, and go single :)

[RaNMaN]

But anyways, im glad you are happy with the car, enjoy it, and go single :)

mucho grascias amigo, you got me a good motor and trans. :goodjob:

i am going to have to do something about traction first but don't worry i have been checking out turbo's too.

[Mr. Kidd]

if you need anything garrett or tial related, let me know. im getting decker his stuff now lol

Get some 18s with some 265s on it an youll be fine!

[Casey]

haha sweeet
did he go gt4082?
=D

i might be ordering a gt3576r T4 flange from you in the near future :)

[v-empire]

you are gonna order a flange from him?

and its a complicated gt43503-394850321 flange?

a flange?!

stop smoking, viperblah!

i m gonna slap you tomorrow.

lets go for some ice cream after that.

thanks.

[Casey]

you are gonna order a flange from him?

and its a complicated gt43503-394850321 flange?

a flange?!

stop smoking, viperblah!

i m gonna slap you tomorrow.

lets go for some ice cream after that.

thanks.

t4 turbo.....

as in
a t4 turbo

[v-empire]

yes. a flange? as in a flange.

why would you just buy a flange?

[Casey]

yes. a flange? as in a flange.

why would you just buy a flange?

DAVE i want a t4 turbine housing on a gt35r ..... ><

[v-empire]

ok you can have mine.

[Casey]

oo yay lol

[Mr. Kidd]

35Rs come with T3 or T4 flange options, just specify when you order

[hellfire]

DAVE i want a t4 turbine housing on a gt35r ..... ><

What are you planning on using that on?

Tyler

[Casey]

What are you planning on using that on?

Tyler

industrial hairdryer?

[hellfire]

Ahh.. Well just make sure you get forged internals. And a Ceramic coated barrel.

Tyler

[carlova78]

so is mike still unhappy

[hellfire]

Carlova. Fucking pay attention. I don't know if you really don't comprehend, or what, but its a simple concept.

2JZ Dave. Had his swap done at Mainstream. He is the thread starter. He is unhappy. He moved out of state. The end.

Turbo Dave. He's not on this forum. He works at mainstream. Does the fabrication, wiring, etc.

Mike. 2JZ>RB26 on here. He worked at mainstream. He no longer does. He works at batlground now. Mike was never unhappy in regards to this thread.

Read, and re read. Comprehend. Stop asking dumb questions.

Tyler

[omgwtfbbq]

Seriously, Carlova, try to stay on topic. As a matter of fact, this thread should be closed. The conversations are now way off topic, and the issue has already been resolved.

[Casey]

yep ^


and yes forged internals i know. lolz

[flip]

Closing thread.

I think all that needed to be said was said... Thanks everyone for putting in your experiences (good & bad) without letting this get heated.