What did Obama's Stimulus Package do for you?

[Memme]

Go ahead...

Tell me how "Change"... as in, maybe $13 a pay period*, has affected your life.

Or any other program in this stimulus bill for that matter... whatever has affected you so deeply.

How has this MASSIVE expenditure assisted you?

You voted for him. I want to hear your JOY... about this "package" we've got coming.

/discuss


*The LAUGHABLE... "Make work pay" credit. SO FULL OF LULZ.
As much as I hated Bush... he gave me over $1200 cash money that bought my leather livingroom set last year... And Obama? Yeah... lulz.

[Tracey]

I just hate the fact that we, the American people, are paying for all these bail out plans.

Shit hasn't changed expect we will be paying more money to the government.

[MadeInAtlanta]

obama change is coming....

[Andy C]

13x52=676

[vqdreaming]

the only change ive seen has been for the worse, everybody acts like he's gonna be a super amazing president just because he can talk well.



obama change is coming....

[doctorsars]

Hasn't even been a month yet. Quit complaining.

not trying to start any shit but, Rome wasn't built in a day.

[vqdreaming]

i understand that things arent gonna be amazing by tomorrow or the end of the year or even next year

[Neejay]

Hasn't even been a month yet. Quit complaining.
lol That's somewhat what I was thinking too.

[Tracey]

Fuck it. Just enjoy life and all the freedoms we have while they last.

[Andy C]

im still trying to figure out where the government got the idea that we want their help on this one. no one is happy about it

the corporations are what fucked everyone. let them fall apart. Fuck them. they are bad people. they need to go to jail and lose all their money.

[doctorsars]

im still trying to figure out where the government got the idea that we want their help on this one. no one is happy about it

the corporations are what fucked everyone. let them fall apart. Fuck them. they are bad people. they need to go to jail and lose all their money.
I agree, but if that happens even more people would be out of jobs, putting the economy into a bigger pile of shit.

[Tracey]

The economy would be in an even bigger pile of shit if we let all the corporations go to shit....but maybe that's exactly what we need so people can learn from their mistakes.

[Andy C]

I agree, but if that happens even more people would be out of jobs, putting the economy into a bigger pile of shit.


The economy would be in an even bigger pile of shit if we let all the corporations go to shit....but maybe that's exactly what we need so people can learn from their mistakes.

i understand what you guys are saying. its true.

but these are bad companies that are keeping america alive. is that what we want? america would be fine. it would take some time, but it would be ok

[MadeInAtlanta]

change is coming

[doctorsars]

i understand what you guys are saying. its true.

but these are bad companies that are keeping america alive. is that what we want? america would be fine. it would take some time, but it would be ok
I say cock block them into submission.:goodjob:

but then again that wouldn't be capitalism anymore.

[Tracey]

i understand what you guys are saying. its true.

but these are bad companies that are keeping america alive. is that what we want? america would be fine. it would take some time, but it would be ok

I don't agree with the bailout plans at all. I think we should have let those companies go to shit. Let them face the consequences of their actions.

If you or I ran out of money, the govt wouldn't bail us out. The govt would be like "Fuck you. Find a way to pay."

[doctorsars]

Yeah but in doing that, it messes up the world economy as well.

[240sxautox]

Hasn't even been a month yet. Quit complaining.

not trying to start any shit but, Rome wasn't built in a day.

exactly my thoughts.

[Memme]

im still trying to figure out where the government got the idea that we want their help on this one. no one is happy about it

the corporations are what fucked everyone. let them fall apart. Fuck them. they are bad people. they need to go to jail and lose all their money.


And that's the truth... :goodjob:


I agree, but if that happens even more people would be out of jobs, putting the economy into a bigger pile of shit.

Then you've got Obama talking "Let's help the super poor, who can't help ANYONE, not even themselves..."

Why help them?

Help those who can help others!

That's the goddamned multiplier effect they're talking about...

MULTIPLIER: YOUR DOING IT RONG!

I shouldn't give Obama any credit for this bill though... he wrote absolutely NONE of it.

This is just more bullshit from an existing government... However... what it's NOT... is "Change"...

So... Where's my damn change Obama? Huh? WHERE IS IT!?!


Yeah but in doing that, it messes up the world economy as well.


Government meddling in business got us into this mess... the only thing that will get us out, is Goverment reducing corporate taxes so they can hire more people, and turn a profit... so they can reinvest, and expand... From small, to medium, to large... businesses all need money to reinvest, and expand... without money... you don't have that. You are not competitive, and you go bankrupt and collapse. And then people are out of jobs... can't buy homes, cars, luxuries, anything... let alone food and paying their mortgage or rent.

Also... stop taking so much freaking money from me to run bullshit programs that have no effect!

Lets get this straight though... I don't expect goverment to solve the problem they created... they've never done that...

They "Change" the problem... they never solve it.

The only part the goverment plays here is tax/spend.

Their spend is WAY beyond their ability to tax. Their tax is already a large part of the problem... their part in fixing this, is stop spending, and reduce taxes...

Because, sure I got a livingroom set from Bush in his 8th year... but I probably could've got that myself a lot earlier had I not been taxed so heavily. Government is not the solution.

[Andy C]

i hate so many CEOs. I cant believe how selfish and greedy those mother fuckers are. i want to hit them in the face with a baseball bat. Not only did they fuck up and contribute to the econony's problems, but now they know they are getting bailed out, yet are handing out money like its goin out of style.

they are pretty much taking money out of my pocket.

[Tracey]

That's the goddamned multiplier effect they're talking about...

MULTIPLIER: YOUR DOING IT RONG!

I couldn't stop laughing when I read that. :lol:

[Memme]

They have it confused with subtraction...

Seriously... the people that are really scraping bottom... GOVERNMENT CAN'T HELP THEM ALL.

You know what could help them? GETTING A F*CKING JOB!

Who provides that? Corporations... small business... et cetera.

It's a fatal flaw to think you can steal from the rich and give to the poor and that will solve their problems.

It's like an insurance company repairing totalled cars... or rebuilding trashed houses instead of getting a new one... IT'S JUST NOT DONE.

It's not feasible in business, yet government thinks they should be able to do it, and not have any accountability when the practice FAILS UTTERLY because it's financially unsound.

The economy cannot grow under these conditions. Help those that are capable of being helped... to help the wasted... is a waste.

[Andy C]

i mean, i like robin hood, but this is bull shit

[s7_]

Go ahead...

Tell me how "Change"... as in, maybe $13 a pay period*, has affected your life.

Or any other program in this stimulus bill for that matter... whatever has affected you so deeply.

How has this MASSIVE expenditure assisted you?

You voted for him. I want to hear your JOY... about this "package" we've got coming.

/discuss


*The LAUGHABLE... "Make work pay" credit. SO FULL OF LULZ.
As much as I hated Bush... he gave me over $1200 cash money that bought my leather livingroom set last year... And Obama? Yeah... lulz.



I didn't vote for Obama.

[Memme]

I didn't vote for Obama.


Good. :goodjob:

[Photonic]

Go ahead...

Tell me how "Change"... as in, maybe $13 a pay period*, has affected your life.

Or any other program in this stimulus bill for that matter... whatever has affected you so deeply.

How has this MASSIVE expenditure assisted you?

You voted for him. I want to hear your JOY... about this "package" we've got coming.

/discuss


*The LAUGHABLE... "Make work pay" credit. SO FULL OF LULZ.
As much as I hated Bush... he gave me over $1200 cash money that bought my leather livingroom set last year... And Obama? Yeah... lulz.

This stimulus package is not for YOU and ME its for the economy bro..the stimulus package will be pumped into the economy itself ..so businesses can keep doing business, and banks can suspend foreclosures..did anyone catch that obama has already forced banks to suspend all foreclosures? Do you know how much that helps the people? The overall economy gets the money, and by suspending foreclosures he is helping americans who are hurt the most get time to recover.

[Memme]

i mean, i like robin hood, but this is bull shit


Robin Hood has a time and a place...

Should we rob Wall Street Barons who've robbed us instead of bailing them out so they can make their pockets even fatter?

ABSOLUTELY!

BUt should we rob the tax payers, to fatten the Wall Street Barons pockets?

HELL NO!

It's ridiculous... and that's what happened, and is happening!

Then you've got... "Oh let's also pump a bunch of money into FAILED "social" programs..."

They can't figure out what they're doing... except that what they're doing is destroying the middle class... that's the plan anyway.

Take from the Middle Class, and give to both the Ultra Rich, and the super poor... but give disproportinate to need... Give the rich a lot, and give the poor just enough to keep them poor.

Good plan.

[scoob.]

i mean, i like robin hood, but this is bull shit
whoah!
i never made the relationship.
obama-robinhood.

trufs.

[s7_]

I don't like democrats, they give money to people who don't work.

[Memme]

Oh, but I just want to say... Thanks Obama for my .39 cent "raise" which simply allows me to keep more of the money that I made... thanks for that.

In the mean time... I've gotten myself a $2.83 ACTUAL raise myself... I guess I didn't need Goverment help. Not for that anyway... The government could govern better, and that would help me...


whoah!
i never made the relationship.
obama-robinhood.

trufs.


More like "Robbing Hood"...

[Photonic]

OH come on guys " keep more of my money' Thats the whole problem.

People need to believe in a stronger economy for things to happen. Does anyone remember the great depression? When everyone started hoarding all their money in belief of a "bad economy" when all the money is in our accounts, its NOT going to businesses to say..make your bread, make your car parts. If you just keep spending money businesses will still be able to produce goods.

"I want to buy this..but I shouldnt because the economy might become bad.." and what do you know...some place goes out of business..but everyone still has their money, no big deal.

[s7_]

robbin da hood

[Memme]

OH come on guys " keep more of my money' Thats the whole problem.

People need to believe in a stronger economy for things to happen. Does anyone remember the great depression? When everyone started hoarding all their money in belief of a "bad economy" when all the money is in our accounts, its NOT going to businesses to say..make your bread, make your car parts. If you just keep spending money businesses will still be able to produce goods.

"I want to buy this..but I shouldnt because the economy might become bad.." and what do you know...some place goes out of business..but everyone still has their money, no big deal.


But by "keep more money" what I mean is... I DECIDE... not Goverment decides...

Which is the natural state of a healthy CAPITALIST market...

Sure, in a Fiat currency based, consumption driven economy that revolves around debt, we do have to have credit, overspend, and drive up prices to increase corporate profits, so they can hire more of us to do the same... when the government starts meddling in this... look how the market reacts. :wiggle:


Oh... and prior to the Great Depression... our income tax rate was ~5% it's now ~30%... NICE HUH?!

Simple understanding of Economics would tell anyone that what they're doing is WRONG... it never works... never has worked, and won't work this time either.

[Iam99x]

It's...

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[doctorsars]

It's time for a shitload of quarters?

[zakkkaliscious]

whats has changed? nothing..

[Tracey]

It's time for a shitload of quarters?

Hey y'all, quarters for everyone! lolz

[Memme]

I know right?

What's interesting here is that not one person has been able to post one thing that this "stimulus" will do for them...

Not a single thing.

This is because the Gov'ment can't fix things... It's not like they're going to open up a "Magic Money" factory in Sandy Springs that will hire everyone who has been laid off, and pay them a wage they can live comfortably on...

Gov'ment can't do that...

Without printing a ton of money, and creating worthless currency...

Oh... wait...

[SandWraith]

Memme you are right what this economic stimulus package is doing is giving the rich more money what we need to do is restablilze the middle class seeing as how the middle class is the main support of this nation.

Also let me share some history as I believe it is vital to understand what this nation was founded upon

Excerpt of the Preamble from the Declaration of Independence
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

So it is up to us "the people" to decide what the government must or must not do. So why aren't we doing something about this unjust bailout. Even if we do write to our senators and to our representatives in the house are they willing to abide by what is stated in the constitution? To have the consent of the people, personally I think not.

-Danial

[Memme]

What Thomas Jefferson said regarding Shay's Rebellion...

Yeah...

And what he said about "Moneyed Corporations"...

That too...

Basically... what we have... is a situation.

[~The_Duke~]

I just spend my entire tax refund on hospital bills :goodjob:

[Memme]

You pay those? lol...

[~The_Duke~]

You pay those? lol...

Just the copays...

I am so not paying them til they call and complain about them not being paid.

[Memme]

Hahah... yeah... copays huh... those pretty steep for all that?

I'm looking at having surgery for my sinuses... deviated septum... wonder what that runs.

[~The_Duke~]

1 3-day stay.

and 3 out patient proceders.

The out patient stuff was $75... then the new year happened and they went up to $250... I wasnt to happy.

[Tracey]

I just spend my entire tax refund on hospital bills :goodjob:

Way to stimulate the economy!!1@

lol

[Michael]

*The LAUGHABLE... "Make work pay" credit. SO FULL OF LULZ.
As much as I hated Bush... he gave me over $1200 cash money that bought my leather livingroom set last year... And Obama? Yeah... lulz.

Bush's tax break (what gave you $1200) increased the size of the national debt to its largest point in history.

What Obama is doing now is a necessary evil. These plans to stimulate the economy are our last ditch effort to save a free-falling market. This downward spiral was initiated by the policies created by bush and the people he appointed (namely alan greenspan). I must tell you... if you don't like obama then it's because either a. You disagree with some of his moral stances (abortion(probably the most legit anti-obama position)) b. you are a big-time capitalist or c. you're going more off of some kind of emotional rejection, such as how it makes you mad that all the black people love obama.

There really are not any intellectually legitimate arguments against Obama's policies as far as ECONOMICS. Other topics are a different story, especially the topics that are completely opinion (again, abortion). For the most part, Obama is doing all that can be done to try and stop our economy from getting any worse than it is now.

[~The_Duke~]

Bush's tax break (what gave you $1200) increased the size of the national debt to its largest point in history.

Yup obama is about ready to break that record when this "stimulus" *cough* spending *cough* bill gets passed and implemented...

Great come back there sparky.


Way to stimulate the economy!!1@

lol

Bah fuck that I wanted coilovers... lol

[Cash]

I just quickly scrolled through the thread hoping Dave had posted about this..

Anyway, there were studies that showed that people were more likely to spend if given an extra "$13" or however much each paycheck, as opposed to one large rebate. I don't remember the exact numbers, but the amount spent per dollar given back was higher when spread out.

There are many other parts of the stimulus package that will provide more money for health care, allow people to stay on unemployment longer, especially in states with the highest unemployment rates, and more money per month for families that receive food stamps.

[~The_Duke~]

There are many other parts of the stimulus package that will provide more money for health care, allow people to stay on unemployment longer, especially in states with the highest unemployment rates, and more money per month for families that receive food stamps.

Personally I see this as a very bad thing... This does not motivate people to go out and find a job.

[Cash]

It's actually a good thing. Keeps people off the streets which is worse for our society. Yes there are people that are always looking for a free hand out and take advantage of the system, but there are also a lot of people who need this to help them get back on their feet during the tough economic time we are in.

Not everyone is lazy. Did you see or hear about the long lines of people trying to get a job at the new Kia plant in Georgia? There were people lining up at 4am last week just to be able to fill out an application. It's people like these that need and deserve unemployment. take away the support and you just make it harder for them to get a job.

[~The_Duke~]

You do have a point, but I still dont like paying for people to be unemployeed. I dont like that idea at all.

[Memme]

Bush's tax break (what gave you $1200) increased the size of the national debt to its largest point in history.

What Obama is doing now is a necessary evil. These plans to stimulate the economy are our last ditch effort to save a free-falling market. This downward spiral was initiated by the policies created by bush and the people he appointed (namely alan greenspan). I must tell you... if you don't like obama then it's because either a. You disagree with some of his moral stances (abortion(probably the most legit anti-obama position)) b. you are a big-time capitalist or c. you're going more off of some kind of emotional rejection, such as how it makes you mad that all the black people love obama.

There really are not any intellectually legitimate arguments against Obama's policies as far as ECONOMICS. Other topics are a different story, especially the topics that are completely opinion (again, abortion). For the most part, Obama is doing all that can be done to try and stop our economy from getting any worse than it is now.


See BOLD...

As someone who's studied Economics, and is a student of history and government... I'm going to have to disagree with you there in a major way.

You don't know what you're talking about if you can't find a legitimate argument about why a goverment shouldn't resort to massive defecit spending in the middle of a crisis... in fact... there are MANY legitimate objections... and if you knew anything about economics, and oh my, CAPITALISM... which umm... we're that... then you'd know, for a capitalist, consumer driven economy... there are stupid ways to fail, and intelligent ways to succeed at stimulating the economy...

I'm not going to argue that Bush was an economist because he certainly WASN'T...

But it was not his housing policies that caused the sub-prime crisis...

He caused the FAILED Iraq war... get it straight. Clinton and the Democrats caused the sub-prime crisis... not to mention the trade deficit with China and giving them MFN Status... which was great for their economy.

Give credit where credit is due. And don't try to lookat a capitalist market and say, "Oh a socialist can fix that..."

NO HE CAN'T.

He can destroy it... which he's working on... building on the destruction wreaked by his predecessor... but he's certainly NOT going to fix it. Not with this so-called stimulus pile of shit.

While we're at it... If you're pro-NAFTA, and the FTAA, and want to be spending Ameros... We're going to disagree on many issues... because you're stupid.

[~The_Duke~]

^^^ Memme for president... Seriously I would vote for you. You should atleast run for senate...

[Memme]

Also... Bush did NOT appoint Alan Greenspan...

He was there FOREVER... before Bush... he was in during the Clinton Regime as well...

And don't talk to me about the market... I worked for E*TRADE for three years... I know the damn market, and oh... yeah his stimulus did a real good job of stopping that decline... Go ahead and see what it's doing in response to this Bill... check it out.

Investor reactions to the Stimulus... Last 5 days.

http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/chartdl.aspx?showchartbt=Redraw+chart&CC=1&D4=1&DD=1&D5=0&DCS=2&CF=0&symbol=%24DJI&nocookie=1&SZ=0&CP=0&PT=1

HOW CAN ANYONE BE SO STUPID AS TO THINK THIS CRAPTASTIC BILL OF FAIL IS GOING TO STIMULATE ANYTHING???

Has it stimulated YOU!?


NO... and it WON'T.

I hope your parents lose their jobs, and your socialist ass has to depend on the government to find you a place to live... then you'll see how good socialism really is in this country.

Go ahead and see if you can get into some Federal Housing... TRY IT.

[Andy C]

if there was a vote TODAY that all citizens of the US were involved in about the stimulus crap, it would not pass.

i have not spoken with one person who thinks its a great idea. But plenty that hate the idea.

now, if this shit keeps happening we will need a grass-roots effort to overthrow the government. If the people are not happy, what is the point?

i am not an expert on economics, or even qualified for a real debate about the topic, but what i see is a bunch of unhappy citizens of the US, and that is not okay with me.

[Memme]

^^^ Memme for president... Seriously I would vote for you. You should atleast run for senate...


I know better... I'd be shot.

And I've got a sordid past that I'm proud of... and would not apologize for. :goodjob:

[Jorgen]

actually, yes... this bill has stimulated me... and even given me hope.
most of these democrats think that if they do this, they will expand government and secure their seats of power. i think the exact opposite will happen. i think anyone with half a brain knows the truth and will see it. i think the bill is political suicide, especially with the fact that the president BLATANTLY LIED about the fact that "there is no pork in this bill" Obama is breaking promises left and right. Even better, most of the Republicans are doing GREAT right now. I've called the white house comment line every day for the last week to leave comments. 202 456 1111

[Memme]

if there was a vote TODAY that all citizens of the US were involved in about the stimulus crap, it would not pass.

i have not spoken with one person who thinks its a great idea. But plenty that hate the idea.

now, if this shit keeps happening we will need a grass-roots effort to overthrow the government. If the people are not happy, what is the point?

i am not an expert on economics, or even qualified for a real debate about the topic, but what i see is a bunch of unhappy citizens of the US, and that is not okay with me.


Which is really the entire issue... That's all you need to know.

[Memme]

What really pisses me off is this whole, "Let's help people keep the mortgages they weren't qualified to have in the first place..."

F*CK THEM.

That doesn't sell more houses... that prevents forclosures, but the banks that have shit lending practices deserve to fucking fold. And the people who signed up for stupid investment loans instead of something like a 30 year fixed... well they're idiots, and they should lose their houses.

So the "Housing" issue that congress is going to address is simply putting more bandaids on amputated limbs...

POINTLESS.

How about, you give me that damn tax credit if I go buy a house this year, and make sure I can get a loan that I can actually afford... make sure the lenders are doing their part not to bullshit people, and if house values drop to shit... GOOD. Then I'll be able to buy more house with less money, and I'M FINE WITH THAT.

The prices need to fall... they were inflated like crazy... everyone trying to speculate on interest only, and other fucktard "designer" loans, and so the prices went through the damn roof... now nobody can get a damn loan, and the values plummet... How about something in the middle... how about that.

[1luvsilvias]

i think yall should chill out and give this some time before you judge really. the dude just started cut him some slack. its just like this to me. if mccain won what would he have change? you cant say because you not him. bush did the swtimulus thing. what did you guys do with the money. i mean just chill out and see what "changes" he will bring.

[~The_Duke~]

Change is a good thing, being 789 BILLION in debt to the chinese is a different story...

[Memme]

Yeah... umm...

If you're "chillin" when they're signing you up for a MASSIVE debt... to pay for bullshit... you've got problems.

Maybe you need to unchill.

Put down the bong, and get pissed... because you should be pissed.

I don't care if he did this yesterday, or four years from now... IT'S STILL FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG.

[Jorgen]

I'm going to put a sign on my car...
"I want my government tried for treason"

[doctorsars]

I'm going to put a sign on my car...
"I want my government tried for treason"
you don't need anything on your car it's a piece of shit anyway. fucking ricer.

WHO THE HELL PUTS S15 FRONTS ON A 240 WITH STOCK HEIGHT, STOCK MOTOR AND STOCK WHEELS

[~The_Duke~]

you don't need anything on your car it's a piece of shit anyway. Fucking ricer.

who the hell puts s15 fronts on a 240 with stock height, stock motor and stock wheels

oh snap!!!!

[doctorsars]

oh snap!!!!
im for real, i don't give a shit if i dont have a car. that doesnt mean jack shit, especially if im putting my fucking education first. shit's fucking worse that shift_2drifts cars and that's saying A LOT. at least he has the brains NOT to put a fucking 15 front on a 13.

if you want a 15 save up for a fucking 15

[Wes]

Goddamn!

[ahmonrah]

this particular topic pisses me off soo much, i don't even want to explain.

working class= backbone of america
working class= soldiers of america
working class= rising cost of living, stagnant or deflating income

big business= big government= big bailout from working people.

[AlmostFast]

the problem are not the corporations as it is the Unions behind them.

[Jorgen]

damn... i think someones jealous.
car has been lowered, i have extra wheels, working on motor.
STFU

[doctorsars]

why the FUCK would i be jealous of a 15 front?

i don't even like S15s

i'm glad i have no car because it's better than having a fucking coupe with a S15 front. that shit is embarrassing.

[sk8240]

ok i dunno about you guys yeah i hate the way the shits going these days and i realized that i can bitch all i want to about our economy, but yeah things are not gonna get better anytime soon.......so the way i am stimulating the economy is by buying a small surplus of weapons and ammo (small as in enough for a small army) and stockpiling as much canned goods that i can buy and preparing FOR THE MOTHERFUCKING ARMAGGEDON......cause if we run out of gas and shit turns into something outta "MAD MAX" it's cool i'm ready bring that shit on!
Then if the zombies start coming outta no where, freaking out but it's okay i'm ready......or hell if the APOCOLYPSE kicks off then shit might as well go out guns ablazing john woo style.....either way i don't wanna go down without a fight!:pirate:

[Michael]

totally honest, i'm way too lazy to respond to all these responses :P

[1luvsilvias]

the being in debt with the chinese.....
i feel you on that.
that needs to change.
i

[Memme]

totally honest, i'm way too lazy to respond to all these responses :P


Totally Honest...

Your prior response indicated that any further responses would be more socialist drivel that means nothing to anyone but you, and displays a very limited understanding of economics and proper governance to begin with, so good... don't say anything. Nobody wants to hear it from some snot-nosed kid who thinks he'd be better off with globalists running the world.

Yeah... you like fair?

If we spread the wealth equally amongst over 6 billion people, you wouldn't have a fucking pot to piss in... let alone a computer to sit there typing up you fucktard socialism from you seat of luxury...

You want to be a socialist?

Tell your parents to stop working for profit... Get everything from the government... Food stamps, clothing, housing... all that.

And then tell me how you like your life, while at the same time considering, you still are getting everything you have been given from CAPITALISM... and... if we were really a Global Socialist society... you'd have much less than the nothing you'll get from our current government...

Socialism doesn't work globally. WE DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY. And the only way we're going to get it is CAPITALISM... Society will naturally turn "Utopian" or Socialist as you like to call it, when and IF we ever have the technology to do so... but this isn't Star Trek, and we're NOWHERE NEAR that.

Oh, but if you go the NWO route... we'll kill off 95% of the world population, so hey! You that are left... which won't be you... will all be driving luxury cars right off the lot like it was 28 Days later...

Just know that in this scenario... you'd be DEAD.

http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/unasur.png?w=500&h=333

Without cheating... Tell me what ^ is, and what they're doing... I bet you don't even know.

[Michael]

Totally Honest...

Your prior response indicated that any further responses would be more socialist drivel that means nothing to anyone but you, and displays a very limited understanding of economics and proper governance to begin with, so good... don't say anything. Nobody wants to hear it from some snot-nosed kid who thinks he'd be better off with globalists running the world.....


I'm a snot nosed kid, eh?

Look memme, you don't know shit about me. So i'll give you a break.

But I suggest you just shut the fuck up.

[AFSil80]

Hasn't even been a month yet. Quit complaining.

not trying to start any shit but, Rome wasn't built in a day.

It takes months to construct a building, but only hours of an inferno to cause it to turn into rubble.

I just think it's awful how Obama is covering his own ass by telling the public that 'it won't work' unless we all go along with HIS gameplan. If the economy plunges even more, then he feels like he can blame it on those who didn't agree with him.

[1luvsilvias]

I'm a snot nosed kid, eh?

Look memme, you don't know shit about me. So i'll give you a break.

But I suggest you just shut the fuck up.
yeah for real like what he said because i dont think you are making a point. it seems to me that you just want to keep bitching about some bullshit thats obviously bothering you. and if it is then do something about it instead of making a thread on a car forum. you acting like a little kid right now. like i dont know you but dude im sorry but thats all you been doing. just stop. its non sense let it be. this has been goin on for years. you are not the only one who has to pay for it. every other hard working american on this site has to pay for it just like you do. unless you have a way of changing then i suggest you shut the f^ up.

[Casey]

politicians are all dumbasses who couldnt become actors. so they became politicians

[Tracey]

I'm using the little money I get from this and going on vacation so I can:

1) Put my money back into the economy (not that it's going to help much).

2) Forget about how much the US sucks at the moment.

:D

[Spicoli]

f poltics. I just wanna work hard like im doing. And be happy with the money im getting to support me and my belongings. Yes i wish i had more. But Everything is gonna go into a shit hole for a while. Obama is new, it takes time yes, but 4 years would be to long that is my view of the subject.

[Andy C]

i think i'm goin to move to another country.

that way me, my children, grand children... wont be paying for all the politicians mistakes that led us into this shit.

it may not be patriotic, but neither is fucking over your citizens.

[Spicoli]

acutly who is proud to be an american. Im giving in honest answer im not. When people say put your hand over your heart for the pledge of alligance i dont becausew i finally have realized wht america is today. We arent a free Nation. We have all these rules We have to follow. I rather live in isreal, japan, germany. Thats what i feel now.

[Andy C]

acutly who is proud to be an american. Im giving in honest answer im not. When people say put your hand over your heart for the pledge of alligance i dont becausew i finally have realized wht america is today. We arent a free Nation. We have all these rules We have to follow. I rather live in isreal, japan, germany. Thats what i feel now.

really though moving away is just like taking all the hard work that our forefathers put forth and throwing it in the garbage.

the true patriotic thing to do would be overthrow the government. i believe it can be done in peaceful way. protesting for one.

and by overthrow i mean revise. i dont think we need to run up there with our pitchforks and pull all the pigs out of washington, but vote them out. impeach them.

sure there are some good politicians, but i think congressman should be limited to tems in office. As well as many other offices

[Spicoli]

we really do have smart people on this site. I mean though if that old other guy was in office the first lady would come to drift events lol but we got the first black pres but im happy either way.

[doctorsars]

Actually right now here isn't a good place to be; economy's bad, no jobs, owning a house is HELL here, taxes for fucking everything, etc. etc.

Plus, owning a car here sucks ass.

[MOOREOFSTEPHEN]

as far as I see it...

1-not enough time has passed for things to "change"
2-even when he does have enough time to "change" anything, its just going to fall apart.
3-as I see it now I'm loosing more money then ever, gee... thanks!
4-all you shits voted for him anyways. I don't care of his color, thats not the case but I feel 80% did.

5-- I need to poop! the change is coming though, I feel it in my blood!

[s7_]

i really don't care about my credit at the moment.
i don't use anything but my debit card now.
i plan on enjoying cash only lifestyle for the rest of my life.
i hate people.

[Tracey]

i really don't care about my credit at the moment.
i don't use anything but my debit card now.
i plan on enjoying cash only lifestyle for the rest of my life.
i hate people.

I agree with you on this. Once I stopped caring, life got easier.

[Jorgen]

http://dprogram.net/2009/02/14/video-glenn-beck-tells-oreilly-depression-revolution-are-coming/

"Glenn Beck Tells O***8217;Reilly Depression & Revolution Are Coming"
This video is dropping left and right, probably won't be up long.

[FlatWoodsMonster]

Apparently ppl on 240atl know everything that goes on in the white house, economy, and politics. Amazing

[Jorgen]

this is fucking great!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqXDY2rsk5s&feature=channel

[Tracey]

Apparently ppl on 240atl know everything that goes on in the white house, economy, and politics. Amazing

You know this!

[Wes]

acutly who is proud to be an american. Im giving in honest answer im not. When people say put your hand over your heart for the pledge of alligance i dont becausew i finally have realized wht america is today. We arent a free Nation. We have all these rules We have to follow. I rather live in isreal, japan, germany. Thats what i feel now.

You should go, seeing that English definitely isn't your forte.



the true patriotic thing to do would be overthrow the government. i believe it can be done in peaceful way. protesting for one.

and by overthrow i mean revise. i dont think we need to run up there with our pitchforks and pull all the pigs out of washington, but vote them out. impeach them.

sure there are some good politicians, but i think congressman should be limited to tems in office. As well as many other offices

I really dont think people these days, have the actual nerve or courage to really make the move to change shit, as in real change. America is ran by fear, when no one realizes, there always has and will be power in numbers. Like, to actually have a real revolution.

It goes back to that whole theory that you can't win when it comes to fighting people who really believe in their cause, compared to people who are just paid to fight.


i really don't care about my credit at the moment.
i don't use anything but my debit card now.
i plan on enjoying cash only lifestyle for the rest of my life.
i hate people.

+whatever my reps are worth.

[s7_]

word

[Andy C]

I really dont think people these days, have the actual nerve or courage to really make the move to change shit, as in real change. America is ran by fear, when no one realizes, there always has and will be power in numbers. Like, to actually have a real revolution.

It goes back to that whole theory that you can't win when it comes to fighting people who really believe in their cause, compared to people who are just paid to fight.


i agree man. at this point its not goin to happen, but at what point does anger take over and people get tired of being taken advantage of?

[Jorgen]

I really dont think people these days, have the actual nerve or courage to really make the move to change shit, as in real change. America is ran by fear, when no one realizes, there always has and will be power in numbers. Like, to actually have a real revolution.

It goes back to that whole theory that you can't win when it comes to fighting people who really believe in their cause, compared to people who are just paid to fight.

James Johnson, leader of Ohio unorganized Militia speaks to U.S. Senate. I was extremely amused when I saw this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oAy_U7DaqA&feature=related


I'm going to join.
http://www.gamilitia.com/
I don't own a gun, but thats not what its about.

[s7_]

Gas prices went up.
My freelance jobs have cut down.
Where is my positive stimulus?
Fuck this goverment.

[Andy C]

black people got happy

[slideways]

its ppl who hyundai's falt lol

[s7_]

black people got happy


this is about it. i was fine w/ bush honestly. i can say that with confidence. sorry if you don't agree, what we were experiencing was aftermath from the bill clinton.

[Andy C]

this is about it. i was fine w/ bush honestly. i can say that with confidence. sorry if you don't agree, what we were experiencing was aftermath from the bill clinton.

woah woah!

you cant say that!

bush was just a pin head side show. His ivy league college deplomas were fake.

i was under the impression that it was illegal to speak good about bush.

clinton fucked us over, but made it good during his terms. bush got the aftermath and everyone hates him. now if bush's policies help the country, obama is goin to get credit.

[s7_]

lol. seriously, the only people who blame current presidents don't know what they are talking about, its ok to complain 4 years later about a previous president because what you are experiencing is their aftermath.

bill clinton fucked us over by letting china own us. this is what we are experiencing now.


black man takin credit for the texas white man!

[Tracey]

What most people don't realize is that Bush was just doing what he was told. He's got advisors that tell him what to do...and those advisors have their own agenda.

Most of it is from Clinton's aftermath and some of it is from even before Clinton.

[Andy C]

What most people don't realize is that Bush was just doing what he was told. He's got advisors that tell him what to do...and those advisors have their own agenda.

Most of it is from Clinton's aftermath and some of it is from even before Clinton.

yeah thats y i think ppl that hate bush dont make much sense. Obama has advisors too. every president did. Its not like one man can be as powerful as the entire senate and house. that wouldt make sense if it was that way.

[slideways]

Bush was a great president and all in good time you "bush haters" will realize that.
im not even going to argue with you about it becouse i think we all should know at this point there is nothing i can say that will change your minds thats just the way it is.


lol. seriously, the only people who blame current presidents don't know what they are talking about, its ok to complain 4 years later about a previous president because what you are experiencing is their aftermath.

bill clinton fucked us over by letting china own us. this is what we are experiencing now.


black man takin credit for the texas white man!

you sir know whats up reps to you

[s7_]

i voted bush twice. i wanted ron paul to win, but you know, i didn't vote for obama.

[Memme]

I'm a snot nosed kid, eh?

Look memme, you don't know shit about me. So i'll give you a break.

But I suggest you just shut the fuck up.


Yeah... I do know shit about you.

And I'll not be taking your suggestion... you've got neither the physical size, nor the intellect to make me. You are a snot nosed socialist kid. We've had this bullshit debate before where you talk like you know something, when you fucking don't.

You're a so-called socialist... with bullshit ideals, and the ignorance of youth running through your head, and limited real life experience.

Now move to fucking Norway already. They've got it all sorted out, and don't rely on the existance of Capitalism AT ALL... nope. In fact if all capitalist societies stopped trading with them, they'd be totally self-sufficient. :lmfao:

Ididoth. :screwy:


yeah for real like what he said because i dont think you are making a point. it seems to me that you just want to keep bitching about some bullshit thats obviously bothering you. and if it is then do something about it instead of making a thread on a car forum. you acting like a little kid right now. like i dont know you but dude im sorry but thats all you been doing. just stop. its non sense let it be. this has been goin on for years. you are not the only one who has to pay for it. every other hard working american on this site has to pay for it just like you do. unless you have a way of changing then i suggest you shut the f^ up.


This is my fucking thread, you don't tell me to shut the fuck up. I tell you to shut the fuck up... Enjoy your neg reps. :goodjob:

Oh, but I'll + REP you back if you can tell me a single thing that the fucking stimulus did for you...

I'll wait. :graypirate:


Actually right now here isn't a good place to be; economy's bad, no jobs, owning a house is HELL here, taxes for fucking everything, etc. etc.

Plus, owning a car here sucks ass.

Oh no shit... you're in a bad place for sure. The least free of the so-called free nations IMO... The UK has good things, but its version of freedom isn't one of them.

[Legoman]

the only change ive seen has been for the worse, everybody acts like he's gonna be a super amazing president just because he can talk well.
JFK was a great speaker...not sayin much but you caint judge a person by how they talk...

[Wes]

JFK was a great speaker...not sayin much but you caint judge a person by how they talk...


I definitely beg to differ.

[Memme]

i agree man. at this point its not goin to happen, but at what point does anger take over and people get tired of being taken advantage of?


Good question...

I think probably when it affects them deeply, and personally... and it's too late to do anything about it. That's probably when...

When the TV stops working.


JFK was a great speaker...not sayin much but you caint judge a person by how they talk...


Do you know why JFK was killed?

I'm just wondering...

[J Squared]

The stimulus package isnt doing much for me, but then again the economic downturn hasn't affected me much either. I'd say thats about fair.

[~The_Duke~]

I think taking a shit and paying my water bill helps the economy more...

[Memme]

^ Same here... except I have no doubt that in the future... I'll get the bill. That's what pisses me off.

If I'm going to be spending the money, shouldn't I (as in THE PEOPLE) have a say in how it's spent?

The majority is against this piece of shit... we all know it could be spent better... and it doesn't take much knowledge of economics to sort that out... so again... why is this passing?

Because the politicians ARE NOT LISTENING.

They're not... they don't fear you.

[Tracey]

Memme- When are you running for president?

[Memme]

I dunno... I'd be shot. I think I'm running for some sort of Revolutionary office... just sign me up for Hangman/Executioner of these fuckers. That's the job I want.

Other than that, I just want to live my life, earn my way, and be left the fuck alone.

[~The_Duke~]

I dunno... I'd be shot. I think I'm running for some sort of Revolutionary office... just sign me up for Hangman/Executioner of these fuckers. That's the job I want.

Other than that, I just want to live my live, earn my way, and be left the fuck alone.

I'll drive your limo, you wont get shot... lol

[Tracey]

I thought Obama was going to get shot and as far as we know, he's still alive. I think you would be fine.

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/02/17/youdecide_stimulus_recovery_bill/

omg some of the comments on there are priceless. lol.

[slideways]

i voted bush twice. i wanted ron paul to win, but you know, i didn't vote for obama.

i wanted Mitt Romney to win but voted McCain

[Memme]

Mitt lulz...

Ron Paul... that's it. This is America... Ron Paul is a patriot among traitors and thieves.

There are few worthy of the office, and he's one of them.

[Elizabeth Reed]

whats done is done, now just ride it out and see what happens.

thats all we can do anyways i guess just get over it!

[Memme]

whats done is done, now just ride it out and see what happens.

thats all we can do anyways i guess just get over it!

I agree and I don't... there has to be a limit to the amount of bullshit we'll put up with, and put ourselves through. We need to define it... I mean... it's a gradual thing... but they keep pushing, and pushing, and pushing... and after a few decades, what do you have left that resembles freedom, and rule by the people?

I mean, one of the most intelligent and dangerous things they can do is really dumb down the population in a significant way... feed them a line, and get into power.

Oh wait, did that just happen? :thinking:

Maybe, but some of us are too dumb to notice it...

It's been happening... Obama is no exception... We'll see what he actually does, but what he's done so far is pretty damn "liberal" and business as usual.

If he wants to impress me, he needs to reverse the really bad things the Bush Admin put in place, stop the bullshit the "Liberals" and Neo-cons are pulling... and release all non-violent drug related offenders... dismantle the DEA, and destroy/restructure the IRS/Federal Reserve...

Then we can talk "Change".

People who would make the mistake of thinking I'm "Republican" or WTFever be corrected now... I hated Bush v. 1 & 2, I hated Clinton, so far I hate Obama... and I hated Regan... Most on this forum weren't even old enough to remember or care that far back... I've been politically aware for a few Presidents... I hate politicians.

I'm a Libertarian if anything...

[Andy C]

Good question...

I think probably when it affects them deeply, and personally... and it's too late to do anything about it. That's probably when...

When the TV stops working.



i think the best thing to do right now is get educated about what is going on in politics. get all the facts.

why are we not doing anything about it? we are just sitting here talkin about what we should do, but i feel insignificant in this counry.

[Tracey]

i think the best thing to do right now is get educated about what is going on in politics. get all the facts.

why are we not doing anything about it? we are just sitting here talkin about what we should do, but i feel insignificant in this counry.

I have no problem leading and organizing something that we could do.

[J Squared]

http://photosthatchangedtheworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/che-guevara.jpg

[Memme]

i think the best thing to do right now is get educated about what is going on in politics. get all the facts.

why are we not doing anything about it? we are just sitting here talkin about what we should do, but i feel insignificant in this counry.


By design...

But I agree... the problem is there are so many splinter issues and groups... the grassroots is not organized, and is not focused on the problem... they're all focused on symptoms of the problem... symptoms they don't like that all have the same root cause. That's the problem with people... they can't see the forest for the trees... there's a reason it's a cliche...

I was watching Boston Legal last night... I love that show... they attack. They're just great... In the episode last night, James Spader was suing the DNC... on the issue of the non-democratic nomination process, delegates and super-delegates and just how amazingly corrupt all that is.

[Andy C]

I have no problem leading and organizing something that we could do.

i would have to do a lot of research and really be sure i was doing the right thing before i made a movement.

i guess i'll start reading.