lethal injection

[Tire]

I blew my sr and needed transportation really bad so i called up derek at lethal to see if they had a sohc KA layin around... and they did of course. He sold it to me for $700 with tranny, full wiring harness, ecu, brand new alternator, and the air intake pipe since i had thrown mine out a long time ago. Dropped the motor in and started it up without any problems. Very nice running motor, no valve tick or rod knock at all. So far Lethal is on the top of my list as far as local shops. woot

[JJ Alfano]

lol

the D and S are right next to eachother

i really hope $700 is not what you paid for a sock. I know 3 people that would give theirs away if you came and picked it up lol!

[Andy C]

hope thats a typo

[Tire]

well i paid 250 my dad paid 250 and my grandpaw paid 200 so really i only paid 250... but i didnt know anyone that i could just call for a free ka.. oh well idc

[Andy C]

did they install it?

[youradumb1]

im sure they did not

[J Squared]

You could have gotten an NA SR for 900 :) Glad it worked out for you though.

[Spicoli]

You could have gotten an NA SR for 900 :) Glad it worked out for you though.



agree. He would of been happier with an sr as well to.

[kenny]

wow i have 2 at the house you should of posted a wtb thread. You could of got one cheaper. But hey you helped out a local shop so good for you

[Nick Jeezy]

you guys do have to keep in mind that it is uncut harness-200,tranny-200, motor(depends) and that came with ecu-50

so 700 was fair in the market.

but yeah

[Nick Jeezy]

in what way?

[Andy C]

read edit

[SHIFT_2DRIFT]

agree. He would of been happier with an sr as well to.

I would rather have a KA then a NA SR.
There is no point in buying a NA SR

[Nick Jeezy]

yes but how many motor sets forsale these days??

not very many. i havent seen a dohc for a while that run well.

see that must have been a while ago.

so the price is going up because there arnt a shit load of them forsale.


I would rather have a KA then a NA SR.
There is no point in buying a NA SR

forsure.

who wants a 2.0 na motor. why would you down grade???

dumb shit

[SHIFT_2DRIFT]

yes but how many motor sets forsale these days??

not very many. i havent seen a dohc for a while that run well.

see that must have been a while ago.

so the price is going up because there arnt a shit load of them forsale.



forsure.

who wants a 2.0 na motor. why would you down grade???

dumb shit

exactly.
+REP

you are loosing .4
and paying at least $200 more.
that is just stupid.

[Nick Jeezy]

i see what your saying but i cant find a ka.

look at chacaslider. hes been looking for a ka for like 3 months.

but its all good. he got a good motor.

i drove the car before it got pulled and it pulled way better than a dohc. dohc imo is junk

[Andy C]

yeah they are gettin harder to find.

but if i needed one, i could find one.

[Tire]

Derek quoted me 800 but i got him down to 700 btw... If i had known someone with a ka then obviously i would have been able to get it cheaper off of just some random person trying to sell it... Derek could have parted the motor out and made more than 700 by just doing that.. Or he could have easily dropped it in one of the many shells sitting around at lethal and sold it as a running car and made a couple grand out of it... so 700 was a pretty fair price considering i had to buy it from someone who knew he could get more out of it if he really wanted. And you also have to look at it this way, derek is a buisness owner, thats what he does for a living. If it were just some person selling a motor that they didnt want then ya obviously i could have gotten it for cheaper but i didnt know anyone with a ka so i had no choice but to buy from lethal. Which i am satisfied by doing so. So, thank you lethal. :)

and no they didnt install the motor... I picked the motor up and did it myself. but he quoted me $600 to install so i just did it myself


i disagree^

i love lethal, but i think thats pretty expensive.

i sold a complete dohc swap. wiring, ecu mafs, tranny, motor everything in decent shape for 275. and i've seen plenty go for that price up to 500$. but never 700. especially for sohc

well your dumb for selling that for 275... You could have parted the motor out and made way more than 275. This is pretty much how I am seeing it.....

Lethal: Knows a KA is a pos motor that no one really wants it. BUT they also know that its a pos motor that some ppl wind up NEEDING. So they either sell the motor for close to what they could get if they parted it out or they dont sell it at all because if they let it go for less than what they could get out of it then that would be throwing money away. Nobody that runs a buisness would do that unless they were an idiot.

You: Had a KA that you think is a pos that nobody wants so you just wanted to get rid of it and you did for way too cheap.

way to go! :goodjob: lol

[Tire]

im not stupid. i am just rich.

ok well then thats another motive for you to let the motor go for soo cheap.. once again, good for you! but for lethal it would have been dumb for them to sell it for any cheaper really...

and i didnt call you stupid, i said you were dumb.

[Tire]

your right. especially if ur willing to spend 700$ on a motor.

and weve already determined that i didnt have a choice but to spend 700 at lethal, i didnt know anyone else with a ka. Had I of known some retarded ass rich kid with a ka i would have offered him 5 dorra. lol but i didnt know any homos like that so i bought it for a reasonable price considering the circumstances. and i only spent 250 out of my pocket so technically i got it for 25 dorras less than whoever bought the dohc you had.

[Tire]

im not really rich. i live at home with my parents who can barley pay the mortgage.


anyway im just trying to help you.

thanks for your help but i kinda already bought the motor and its in my car now........... so its not really much help. Im just trying to make sure ppl dont think lethal charged me too much cause they really didnt... I can see how to someone that thinks KAs are worthless that sounds like too much, but as a buisness trying to sell it he did the right thing.

[Andy C]

well as long as u are happy.

[Tire]

well as long as u are happy.

Si. Well if you want to buy my blown sr ill sell it for 9k

[Andy C]

lol. ok

[Tire]

And i like how you or whoever tagged this thread with ''jewed''

thats cool and all.... not. Doesnt really help lethal too much. Someons gonna search jewed for no reason and see that a lethal review came up and then think that lethal jewed me. but its ok cause all they gotta do is read the thread and they should realize nobody got jewed.

[Andy C]

i swear to god it wasnt me.

no joke.

i just added the smile

[Tire]

i swear to god it wasnt me.

no joke.

i just added the smile

lol @ the smiley. I didnt say i thought it was you... if you notice i said

"And i like how you or whoever tagged this thread with ''jewed.''

Its all good but whoever did that is prob either competition or just an idiot. lol

[Andy C]

no one is goin to search for jewed

[Tire]

Even if someone searches for jew then JEWed could come up too... and i would probably search for jew or jewed just to see what comes up lol

[Spicoli]

exactly.
+REP

you are loosing .4
and paying at least $200 more.
that is just stupid.



james your right dont no shit but its personal prefernce for the extra 200 dollars.

i mean i here people talking about ka always brakin

[Tire]

actually i just did search for jew and jewed and a killswitch vendor review thread came up LOL!

http://240atlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25034&highlight=jewed

see by tagging a vendor review thread with any kind of negative word like jewed, lame, screwed, etc could cause bad buisness for whoever the review is about. lol

[SCato]

tag changed.

[Nick Jeezy]

hah funny thread.

[tc240]

700 for a sohc? wow.

i got one for free not too many months back... then sold it for 100 bucks. with trans and a bunch of random shit. And you know they probably didn't pay shit for it.

thats one thing i'm noticing about lethal lately... once they got some word of mouth being spread around they went jewbag on pricing. Most shops do the same thing... and most shops end up failing because of it.

I called about getting fenders rolled not too long ago, and just to roll them... not even pull them, they wanted 75 a side. Pulled he said minimum of $150 a side.

FUCK THAT! I can buy a fender roller and do it my damn self for that.

[Nick Jeezy]

^^ yet they are one of the best shops in ATL right now.

[tc240]

^^ yet they are one of the best shops in ATL right now.

key word right now.

I was going to go there for tuning when my other motor is done... but after that talk on the phone about fender rolling and hearing about other people needing a thing of vasaline before walking in there, I'll freaking pass.

One thing to remember when working with 240's. The true enthusiasts of the 240 will be more than happy to work on their own stuff.

The fanboys are the ones paying the money to lethal, and with time they'll get out of it.

[Andy C]

i still reccomend lethal for tuning

[Neejay]

i still reccomend lethal for tuning
+1 - I've never heard a negative complaint from getting tuned at Lethal.

[Nick Jeezy]

i guess only time will tell.

however fender rolling doesn't make money. so they make it worth their time.
when they do it they do it right,
have you seen adam(kudapoligiidontknowhisnamenow) or aka understeerking fenders?

no1 wants to do it.

thats why it would be cheaper for you to do it your self.

[cjacob74]

im payin 175 for a complete dohc swap wit 98k on it.

[Shiri Juu Atenza]

Look the kid is happy with his purchase, if your not keep it to urself. This isnt the place to be bashing on someone because you think he paid too much. If he thought he was paying to much he wouldnt of bought it. End of Story

[Nick Jeezy]

but no1 got riped off.

[youradumb1]

^damn right...sounds like they saw that kid comen a mile away thats all..but hey he did not do his resurch so i guess its his own fault he got rippppped off is i guess what others are sayen...sounds like good buisness to me

[Nick Jeezy]

the thing that i dont understand is that why would you sell something for less than you think that its worth?

you feel that it isnt worth it.
tire feels that it was worth it.
lethal feels that its worth it.

so there for no1 got riped off.

there are no ka's for sale.

there for the prices are going up.

its supply and demand.

[Tire]

key word right now.

I was going to go there for tuning when my other motor is done... but after that talk on the phone about fender rolling and hearing about other people needing a thing of vasaline before walking in there, I'll freaking pass.

One thing to remember when working with 240's. The true enthusiasts of the 240 will be more than happy to work on their own stuff.

The fanboys are the ones paying the money to lethal, and with time they'll get out of it.

It makes perfect sense why they would ask for 75 a side. Ya it may sound a little over priced but theres a reason. I could understand how they would want 75 a side, Because by them rolling your fenders that means that they are taking time away from doing something else that would prob make alot more money... so if he doesnt get at least a little bit of money from it then its a waste of his valueable time. so be a real 240 enthusiasts and do it yourself. :D



im payin 175 for a complete dohc swap wit 98k on it. omg reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee thats awesome! if you were smart you'd turn around and sell it to some dumbass like me that paid 700 lol. its just a pos ka thats worth nothing...... you couldnt sell anything off that motor for more than $20.... (incase you cant tell im being a smartass lol)


Look the kid is happy with his purchase, if your not keep it to urself. This isnt the place to be bashing on someone because you think he paid too much. If he thought he was paying to much he wouldnt of bought it. End of Story

thanks man. +reps for the positive attitude


tag changed.

cool

[Wes]

This thread is funny.

This goes back to my whole theory that any motor, or really anything is worth decent money when someone actually needs it.

[JJ Alfano]

N/A Sr is better than KA.

More horsepower, less torque, but you can rev the piss out of it. Treat it like a SR20DET on very low boost and you can slide it too.

If i was spending 700 I would have just gotten a couple more bucks and gotten a rb20

[blue_lude]

It makes perfect sense why they would ask for 75 a side. Ya it may sound a little over priced but theres a reason. I could understand how they would want 75 a side, Because by them rolling your fenders that means that they are taking time away from doing something else that would prob make alot more money... so if he doesnt get at least a little bit of money from it then its a waste of his valueable time. so be a real 240 enthusiasts and do it yourself. :D


im payin $75 a side for them to roll my fenders,
i have nice paint, so its worth it.
i could do it myself but my paint will most likely crack eventually and it wont be smooth like a professionally done job.
and as it was stated before, no one wants to do it.
its better just to pay for it and have it done right.

lethal may charge more for work,
but they do good work.
and if he's happy with his motor, then i say congrats on the new motor man.

[Wes]

Speaking of, who has the NA SR motorset for $900?

[Elizabeth Reed]

lol lethal owns all. that is all

yeah fanboys get their car worked on there, thats right. i guess the fanboys that dont have the space to work on their crs and such and lack resources. god damn people

[blue_lude]

lol lethal owns all. that is all

yeah fanboys get their car worked on there, thats right. i guess the fanboys that dont have the space to work on their crs and such and lack resources. god damn people

lol forreal
all the fanboys that dont have a dyno to tune there cars
damn them

[J Squared]

Im not going to hate on Derreck for making some money off of a customer, but this thread is laughable. There is a difference between turning a profit and turning someone around for ass rapage. This is the EXACT reason Lethal doesnt get my business, and probably never will.


Speaking of, who has the NA SR motorset for $900?

JHot all day, just hurry up :) ~$800+tax, they have 2 in stock.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pb6zMp-7dmj2ovmVR0jqKAA





PS, if you would rather have a KA over an NA SR you are nucking futz.

[Elizabeth Reed]

^lololololololol

[MOOREOFSTEPHEN]

holy fuck 700!!!

[Cameron.]

i know where a NA SR complete motorset is for like 500.

[J Squared]

holy fuck 700!!!

LOL


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/candykane101/700.jpg

[The Real Keith]

700 for a sohc? wow.

i got one for free not too many months back... then sold it for 100 bucks. with trans and a bunch of random shit. And you know they probably didn't pay shit for it.

thats one thing i'm noticing about lethal lately... once they got some word of mouth being spread around they went jewbag on pricing. Most shops do the same thing... and most shops end up failing because of it.

I called about getting fenders rolled not too long ago, and just to roll them... not even pull them, they wanted 75 a side. Pulled he said minimum of $150 a side.

FUCK THAT! I can buy a fender roller and do it my damn self for that.

Please buy a fender roller and do it yourself. Then post pictures. I need something to laugh at. Once you fuck up a quarter panel, there is no going back. Only replacing, which I am sure you can do that yourself too.

If you have a problem with a vendor then write your own review. Don't thread jack somebody else.


key word right now.

I was going to go there for tuning when my other motor is done... but after that talk on the phone about fender rolling and hearing about other people needing a thing of vasaline before walking in there, I'll freaking pass.

One thing to remember when working with 240's. The true enthusiasts of the 240 will be more than happy to work on their own stuff.

The fanboys are the ones paying the money to lethal, and with time they'll get out of it.

Exactly, the true enthusiasts will be more than happy to work on their own stuff. How many of those enthusiasts can? And of the rest of them that can, how any of those cars do you think somebody else, a shop(Lethal Injection,) has to fix? I bet that number is pretty high.

[yellow_guy]

damn...im looking around for a sohc right now and ill prob get one for wayyyyy less than that

[2isbetterthan4]

Im not going to hate on Derreck for making some money off of a customer, but this thread is laughable. There is a difference between turning a profit and turning someone around for ass rapage. This is the EXACT reason Lethal doesnt get my business, and probably never will.





you didnt have a problem coming up there the other day. ???

[RHDS13]

awwwsnap lol

[J Squared]

And I was doing business with you directly. Not to mention when I dropped my stuff off was when I talked to D about the motor, I kind of had to pick my stuff up at some point (and was in n out in 5 minutes if you didnt notice).

[2isbetterthan4]

ohh, didnt know it was like that. Sorry you feel that way. Hope you dont have the same negative image of me.

kyle

[SeanDavy]

i disagree^

i love lethal, but i think thats pretty expensive.

i sold a complete dohc swap. wiring, ecu mafs, tranny, motor everything in decent shape for 275. and i've seen plenty go for that price up to 500$. but never 700. especially for sohc


You sir got ripped off then. Either that or you have no desire to earn money. When I removed my KA from my 95 I sold the engine ALONE for $550, Tranny for $175, ECU for $40, MAFS for $40, and kept the wiring harness for my personal use to install my SR. You could have done triple the price. Man, I wish I was around to buy that from you....Could have made an easy $500.

[Neejay]

You sir got ripped off then. Either that or you have no desire to earn money. When I removed my KA from my 95 I sold the engine ALONE for $550, Tranny for $175, ECU for $40, MAFS for $40, and kept the wiring harness for my personal use to install my SR. You could have done triple the price. Man, I wish I was around to buy that from you....Could have made an easy $500.
I don't know man. To some people it's not all about money and how much they can make off people.

Although, after reading a lot of people's responses, maybe I should start thinking that way since everyone else is. "All about me." Nevermind how much something is actually worth, just "lets see the max I can make off this guy". Not just this situation, but in general.

The world resolves around money. Period. (no offense to Lethal Injection)

[Neejay]

i have some spark plugs. i know they are worth like 3$ a piece, but since you have to have them now no matter what, i'll sell them for 50$ each.
Exactly! (again, no offense to Lethal) This is just today's mode of thinking for the masses.

[Elizabeth Reed]

i just think the negative comments are hilarious.

mainly the one about only fanboys get their stuff worked on at shops. i am a car enthusiast, but i also work an average of 56 hours a week, which leaves me very little time to work on my car myself since i have a good group of friends that like to hang out with me, as well as a girlfriend of 5 years that likes to be with me.

with that being said, i will send my money to a QUALITY shop, and that shop in my book is lethal. i have yet to see a shop do the top notch work they do. other places need to step up

[Nick Jeezy]

what happened to DOHC ka's going for 300$?

that was the going price a year ago. Now they go for 500. hell sohc for 700.

are you guys insane?

I know i'm not. dohc used to go for 300 all the time.



we are talking about KA24DE and KA24e correct? not some other kind of ka that is made of gold.


a year ago the dollar was worth more. everything is going up in price.
about 2 years ago. you could get any 240 for under 1500.

look now tyler sells an ok shaped one all day long for 2200 or right around there.

its supply and demand.

and yes the world does revolve around money. thats what keeps is going. do you not?

[Elizabeth Reed]

then what is the answer

[Roaring Blood]

hahahhaa reps andy, thats funny!

[Elizabeth Reed]

great way of backing your argumen

[Roaring Blood]

this guy took it from the back.

[Elizabeth Reed]

because no one else gives a fuck lol.

[Neejay]

talkin to me?

backing my argument? are u serious. this guy spend 700 on a sohc and you think its no big deal.

y isnt everyone else freaking out like me?
lol

Simple man:

supply/demand + as much money as possible vs. actual value

[Roaring Blood]

talkin to me?

backing my argument? are u serious. this guy spend 700 on a sohc and you think its no big deal.

y isnt everyone else freaking out like me?

because lethal is the best shop man. :roll:

[Wes]

talkin to me?

backing my argument? are u serious. this guy spend 700 on a sohc and you think its no big deal.

y isnt everyone else freaking out like me?

Andy calm the fuck down.

[Elizabeth Reed]

i just dont understand why you're whining so much about it when it has nothing to do with you lol

[Elizabeth Reed]

this guy spend 700 on a sohc and you think its no big deal.


it's not a big deal.

[Elizabeth Reed]

ok then take it to PM's and stop cluttering the thread with your obvious worthless opinion, because you're clearly the only person who is freaking out that someone else paid that much. everyone else doesn't give a damn.

[bignic]

it only worth what someone is willing to pay. if they had it when he needed it he saved time, time is money...i paint cars for a living my prices start $2500 for a all over paint job but macco will do it for $500 i guess i've ripped alot of people off...

[Elizabeth Reed]

no no im just saying if someone willing to pay that much if i had a sohc, there would be no way i would turn that offer down.

[Elizabeth Reed]

well i never said that, but yeah man im on lethal's nuts, good one. all i said was that other shops need to step up

[leroiboy]

haha@this entire thread. i have no opinion but wheres the guy that has the "attempting to give a damn"attempting install as his avatar- that would be right on time

[Z U L8R]

thanks Tire for the feedback, glad everything worked out for you and you're happy.

some people spent 1,500 and more on XBox360's and PS3's, other people waited till they went down in price, other people bought the cheapest one they could find hoping that it worked.

it's all relative. of course everyone wants something for nothing, and there's nothing wrong with being patient and getting good deals on good items for good prices. there's nothing wrong with spending little money on crappy items either.

we could sit here and say Joe Shmoe is an effing retard for dropping $20,000 into a honda civic just because we don't like honda's or fwd cars, or Billy Bob is an effing retard for paying 1500 on a CA18, or ANY 240 owner is an effing retard for dropping 5-10,000 dollars into a 15-20 year old "chick car". opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one.

comparing one's self , who lives at home and doesn't have a whole lot of overhead, who doesn't have a car note, doesn't have a mortgage to pay who's selling something that they think is worthless to a buddy to just get rid of the thing and comparing that to a shop owner who has to keep the doors open, pay for the tools, equipment, dyno, mortgage/lease, shop insurance, workers comp, the employees' paychecks, the utilities, as well as their own paycheck so they can pay for their own house,car, entertainment etc when they're selling something that they know is worth money, that can profit them whether they do this with it, or do that with it, is comparing apples and oranges.

deals come and go, there's seasons where you can get X motor cheap as hell and it'll actually run when you put it in the car, there's other seasons where that same good running X motor costs more. everything is going up in price, it's true.

if you call ANY major salvage yard and ask how much they want for a 240sx 5 speed transmission you're gonna get a ballpark of 300-400 buck. which i'm like "ARE YOU EFFIN KIDDING ME!?!?, i remember i got 2 good trannies from Voya for $15 back in the day" i'd hang up the phone after telling that guy he's effin crazy and to take his golden piece of crap $400 transmission, turn it sideways and shove it up his roody poo candy ass, and my reaction/perspective would be that's a rip off.

i hear understand what some of you are saying on price, but it's your opinion, and comparing what you'd sell it for to what someone else sells it for is apples and oranges and it's not a fair comparison.

i see many threads of private individuals selling ka engines only for ~400, trannies for ~200, and the other misclenaneous pieces for 20 here and 30 here etc.

anywho, i gotta go hang out with the fam, i appreciate all the feedback, good and bad, it helps us grow as a shop.

take care, and thanks again Tire, because of your generosity i now can buy that Bugatti Veyron i always wanted!! zomg @_@ lol

oh and since we all know that KA's are pieces of shit,

June 1st 2010 (or sooner if i feel brave LOL) when you see a little blue Datsun 510 with a piece of shit KA in it, you should race that guy for money :ninja:

I love you all :goodjob:

Dave

[Elizabeth Reed]

cough cough gt30r

[Tire]

I'm sorry, but sr motors arent goin up in price. atleast not 600%.

How does that sound to you? a motor that went for 100$ last year is goin for 700 now. 600%. i'm sorry but inflation is not the answer to this one.

bs you havent been around long enough to notice then... you used to be able to buy sr front clips for anywhere from 1500-2000 now you cant even get a motorset for that much... ask anyone, sr motors have gone up in price a good bit bc of the young fan base of drifting that wants to sr their car and start drifting.


thanks Tire for the feedback, glad everything worked out for you and you're happy.

some people spent 1,500 and more on XBox360's and PS3's, other people waited till they went down in price, other people bought the cheapest one they could find hoping that it worked.

it's all relative. of course everyone wants something for nothing, and there's nothing wrong with being patient and getting good deals on good items for good prices. there's nothing wrong with spending little money on crappy items either.

we could sit here and say Joe Shmoe is an effing retard for dropping $20,000 into a honda civic just because we don't like honda's or fwd cars, or Billy Bob is an effing retard for paying 1500 on a CA18, or ANY 240 owner is an effing retard for dropping 5-10,000 dollars into a 15-20 year old "chick car". opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one.

comparing one's self , who lives at home and doesn't have a whole lot of overhead, who doesn't have a car note, doesn't have a mortgage to pay who's selling something that they think is worthless to a buddy to just get rid of the thing and comparing that to a shop owner who has to keep the doors open, pay for the tools, equipment, dyno, mortgage/lease, shop insurance, workers comp, the employees' paychecks, the utilities, as well as their own paycheck so they can pay for their own house,car, entertainment etc when they're selling something that they know is worth money, that can profit them whether they do this with it, or do that with it, is comparing apples and oranges.

deals come and go, there's seasons where you can get X motor cheap as hell and it'll actually run when you put it in the car, there's other seasons where that same good running X motor costs more. everything is going up in price, it's true.

if you call ANY major salvage yard and ask how much they want for a 240sx 5 speed transmission you're gonna get a ballpark of 300-400 buck. which i'm like "ARE YOU EFFIN KIDDING ME!?!?, i remember i got 2 good trannies from Voya for $15 back in the day" i'd hang up the phone after telling that guy he's effin crazy and to take his golden piece of crap $400 transmission, turn it sideways and shove it up his roody poo candy ass, and my reaction/perspective would be that's a rip off.

i hear understand what some of you are saying on price, but it's your opinion, and comparing what you'd sell it for to what someone else sells it for is apples and oranges and it's not a fair comparison.

i see many threads of private individuals selling ka engines only for ~400, trannies for ~200, and the other misclenaneous pieces for 20 here and 30 here etc.

anywho, i gotta go hang out with the fam, i appreciate all the feedback, good and bad, it helps us grow as a shop.

take care, and thanks again Tire, because of your generosity i now can buy that Bugatti Veyron i always wanted!! zomg @_@ lol

oh and since we all know that KA's are pieces of shit,

June 1st 2010 (or sooner if i feel brave LOL) when you see a little blue Datsun 510 with a piece of shit KA in it, you should race that guy for money :ninja:

I love you all :goodjob:

Dave

dave you know that this is hunter right? tire = hunter. We know each other man, you can call me by name real name fucker! lol jk. your welcome for your bugatti veyron!!!! reeee

[Z U L8R]

LOL

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

my Datsun KA-T 510 veyron edition *wink

Dave

[2isbetterthan4]

but not 600% since last year. damn it you guys are fucking retarded.


andy,
do you think you are going to just stroll right back into the shop with everything you have said here. You have made a huge deal pointing directly at a shop that supposedly you support. Hunter got a good running motor, tranny, aftermarket clutch, flywheel, harness, everything needed to drop it in and run. No its not the best price ever but that doesnt matter. Buying a motor from a shop is almost always more expensive than a individual. We have overhead, rent, utilities, and the motor sitting complete on our shelf. Convience is something we as consumers have to pay for. He has said he was happy with the motor and the price. leave it at that.

[tc240]

It makes perfect sense why they would ask for 75 a side. Ya it may sound a little over priced but theres a reason. I could understand how they would want 75 a side, Because by them rolling your fenders that means that they are taking time away from doing something else that would prob make alot more money... so if he doesnt get at least a little bit of money from it then its a waste of his valueable time. so be a real 240 enthusiasts and do it yourself. :D


No. Think about it from a business stand point. By rolling my fenders, you may make a connection with me and do a good job. Which would gain my return business on larger projects. INSTEAD. They talked to me as if I had no idea what "rolling" a fender was, or "pulling" a fender was... and treated it like its worth gold. I'm not an idiot, and i felt like i was treated as such

Sure, its not a money maker... but the whole goal in selling anything, when you have many things... is to have SOMETHING that gets attention and gets people in the door.

[2isbetterthan4]

if u dont want me, i wont come. except for you to get all the buffing compound off my car. im just waiting for it to warm up so it wont be so miserable for you.

its not right. thats all im saying.

I didn't say that Andy, just people seem to run their mouths(GEORGE, ETC) one day and then come up to the shop wanting deals the next. That is the shit that pisses me off. People just need to think about what they say before spouting off.


No. Think about it from a business stand point. By rolling my fenders, you may make a connection with me and do a good job. Which would gain my return business on larger projects. INSTEAD. They talked to me as if I had no idea what "rolling" a fender was, or "pulling" a fender was... and treated it like its worth gold. I'm not an idiot, and i felt like i was treated as such

Sure, its not a money maker... but the whole goal in selling anything, when you have many things... is to have SOMETHING that gets attention and gets people in the door.

So your logic would support the scenario that if we gave you a better deal on rolling your fenders you would not go to another shop because they were $1K cheaper on your swap. Another is, the majority of people think that rolling and pulling are the same thing, when in fact they are vastly different.

[Tire]

i love gold

[2isbetterthan4]

You can come up there if you want, its your car, do with it what you will. Dave is a good tuner/wiring guru, diagnostician, etc. Derek can build the hell out of motor, and fix any car any time. Just dont ask me for any special deals :goodjob:

[2isbetterthan4]

have u ever had a friend do something u really dont respect? What do you do, stop being friends? i really dont know what to do

I tell him/her in person. Not go on the forums/ 3rd party conversations, then come back to him later as nothing ever happened

[SCato]

You guy gotta understand that if you buy from a shop it like buying from a dealer or retail.

Shops charge what they want, and you can take it or leave it.

There is no need to debate the fact that something cost less during a private party sale vs retail. Makes sense with everything else. Why dont you guys get that?

If you want to continue to complain, Start a thread in the Drama section and leave it out of this vender review.




Either way ill be hitting you up dave by the end of the summer, i got a motor you need to tune lol

[2isbetterthan4]

sorry andy, just bitter about two faced people. Seem to have run into alot of them over the past couple of months

[I RON DON KEY]

you should have asked me, i would have gave you my running sohc for 600$ :D


naw jk

[J Squared]

I'm sorry, but sr motors arent goin up in price. atleast not 600%.

How does that sound to you? a motor that went for 100$ last year is goin for 700 now. 600%. i'm sorry but inflation is not the answer to this one.

SR motors aren't going up in price? Shit. 600% no, but they are a hot commodity right now.


So your logic would support the scenario that if we gave you a better deal on rolling your fenders you would not go to another shop because they were $1K cheaper on your swap. Another is, the majority of people think that rolling and pulling are the same thing, when in fact they are vastly different.

I can for sure agree that rolling/pulling fenders is not the same as selling any material item. Doing something that requires at least a little bit of skill like pulling fenders on an S13 (where the fucking QP dents in 98% of the time) is labor, and that is whatever the shop wants to charge.

[Darrin s13]

wow 700 bucks for a sohc

thats crazy

[1941]

I would rather have a KA then a NA SR.
There is no point in buying a NA SR
you are fucking dumb.

[Darrin s13]

you are fucking dumb.


dont be so harsh man ka`s are preety fucking reliable

and notice he said "na" sr rigth?

[Wes]

dont be so harsh man ka`s are preety fucking reliable

and notice he said "na" sr rigth?

And he's still dumb.

NA SR's are fun as shit.

[SHIFT_2DRIFT]

you are fucking dumb.
Dude wtf?
do some research bitch
then fucking tell me if i am dumb or not.

Its a NA SR 2.0 4cyl
I would much rather have a 2.4 4cyl

[Wes]

Dude wtf?
do some research bitch
then fucking tell me if i am dumb or not.

Its a NA SR 2.0 4cyl
I would much rather have a 2.4 4cyl

Ok.

NA 2.0 4cyl that revs to about 7500rpms and makes power damned near to that.

Vs.

NA 2.4 that in some cars I've driven, felt like it would come apart at 6500rpms.

I had a NA SR in my NX2K and loved it, pulled nice, revved quick, I would love to still have that car with a lightened flywheel, a better clutch, and boltonts, would have been hellafun.

Not to mention, NA S14 SR made 20 or 25 more HP than the FWD DE, and figuring my NX2K probably weighed more than a base coupe, I could see a base coupe with a NA S14SR being a super fun car.

[SHIFT_2DRIFT]

NA 2.4 that in some cars I've driven, felt like it would come apart at 6500rpms.


my KA is fine at around 7

[NAKA]

Supastylin /and Wes - Both of you are dumbasses!!! NA SR specs do not support your harsh attacks on Shift 2 Drift. KA's are good motors. Also jhe has a right to his own opinion. Stop with this mentality that if its "Made in Japan" that it is better. Hell FYI the KA motors that were put in all our 240's were assembled in Japan. Another note, I have raced and beaten a few 240 cars(at the track) w/ stock SR turbo motors. I also know that the Duke has done the same in his mostly stock Spec V. So get off your high horses.

My 2 cents

[Wes]

Supastylin /and Wes - Both of you are dumbasses!!! NA SR specs do not support your harsh attacks on Shift 2 Drift. KA's are good motors. Also jhe has a right to his own opinion. Stop with this mentality that if its "Made in Japan" that it is better. Hell FYI the KA motors that were put in all our 240's were assembled in Japan. Another note, I have raced and beaten a few 240 cars(at the track) w/ stock SR turbo motors. I also know that the Duke has done the same in his mostly stock Spec V. So get off your high horses.

My 2 cents

Who the hell are you referring to with that comment?

Lol, did you not notice I'm comparing NA SR and a KA based on USDM Spec Cars.

But since a FWD SR20DE isn't quite the bolt in affair for an S13, I'm using the specs from an S14 NA SR20DE for comparison, since its what would bolt in.


Goddamn.


my KA is fine at around 7

Let me rephrase that.

I've yet to drive a manual KA that felt like it made power all the way to redline directly comparing to the NA SR that I had in my NX2K.

And for the record, I had a 5spd S13 coupe that ran great at the same time I had my NX2K.

[SHIFT_2DRIFT]

ya my manual KA drives great no matter how hard i've pushed it. i got it all the way to red line. I cant compare to a NA SR but just what i said was only based on that a KA is a 2.4 4cyl and a NA SR is .4 less displacement

[Wes]

I understand that, I dunno, always felt like KA's fell off after about 6300-6800rpms, where as my SR in that NX felt like it made power up til atleast 7k.

I understand your argument, but I'm directly comparing 2 cars I owned and drove daily.

[SHIFT_2DRIFT]

ya well now that i know you have owned and driven both.
you can easily compare so my argument basically doesn't mean anything against you because you know from experience

[Wes]

Main reasoning is this.

Would I pay $800+ for a NA SR?

If I had a shell I wanted running with something a little different? Sure
If I had a running KA powered car in good shape, I highly doubt it, not enough gain for me to spend the money.

But then again, if it was between paying $700 for a SOHC motorset, and $900 for a NA S14 SR motorset, hell yeah I'd go NA SR.

[NAKA]

Wes - Doesn't your S-13 have a DOHC KA? Why are you bashing your own setup. From what I read about your compliants about the KA from this thread all you would have to do to add some fun factor to your setup is add better cams and a JWT ECU setup. It will raise the rev limit to 7200 rpm's and the bigger cams will let you reach it.

As for the NA SR. It is a good motor for a lightweight car. It is ideal IMO for a Sentra FWD that I believe it came in. I just think a 240 is to heavy for it to be a performance minded choice without spending lots of money in additional power adders.

My 2 cents.

Wes - I will retract that DA comment directed at you, Sir. I thought you were unjustly attactking a friend of mine. I see that you have owned/driven both motor combo's and also you were referring to the USDM motor.

Not enough sleep and half read post.

My apologize.

Alan

[Wes]

Lol, I'm not bashing my setup, KA doesnt bother me.
I just lol at everyone saying how a NA SR is shit because its not a DET.

And a NX2k with all power options weighs about 2500lbs on the dot, a base coupe weighs in the 26xx range if I'm not mistaken, figure gutting interior, no bumper supports, no spare and shit, and no AC equipment, and you have both cars weighing in about the same. +/- 50lbs.

If an S14 NA SR is making 165hp, I figure thats about 140 to the wheels depending, where a stock KA will make about 12x at the wheels on a good day, thats still atleast a 15hp increase with a motor that is more rev happy.

So with that being said, Im really not seeing your arguement about a lightweight car.



Wes - I will retract that DA comment directed at you, Sir. I thought you were unjustly attactking a friend of mine. I see that you have owned/driven both motor combo's and also you were referring to the USDM motor.

Not enough sleep and half read post.

My apologize.

Alan


It's all good, thats probably why I always back NA SR's, no, its not fast and doesnt have the potential of a DET, but hell, if it was only $100 more compared to a KA motorset, Id def go with the NA SR.

[NAKA]

Wes - Then I am the DA on this one. LOL. You know more about this motor USDM SR setup. This argument sounds like it would all come down to do you want more torque or more/same horsepower. The KA would feel better down low with more cubes but the SR would be more fun on the top end. Sounds typical. LOL.

Again, sorry for the DA comment earlier. I thought you were being overly harsh to a friend.

[Andy C]

I made a lot of comments in this thread. mostly defending my opinion, and it turned into something i didnt intend.

lethal is a good shop and if a sohc motor is worth 700$ to them i can understand. i have sold things for more than their value because thats what it was worth to me.

i just kept having to defend what i believe and it turned into something that sounded like bashing lethal.

i dont believe a sohc is worth 700$ that was my point the whole time. i never said lethal did something wrong.

Lethal is my favorite shop around for tuning. And its a great shop for other things too.

i just want to apologize to lethal for making them sound bad.

i know i said it before, but i was just defending my opinion, and it sounded like i was bashing.

[tc240]

So your logic would support the scenario that if we gave you a better deal on rolling your fenders you would not go to another shop because they were $1K cheaper on your swap. Another is, the majority of people think that rolling and pulling are the same thing, when in fact they are vastly different.

my logic supports the hopes of coming in and "getting to know you" through something on the cheaper side, then through that gaining the trust that you aren't going to rip me a new ass.

make sense?

I'm not trying to bash you all's shop. I've been to the old shop, and bought shit before. But back then... I felt like I could walk in, and get a decent deal without feeling like I was ripping anyone else off. Now I just don't know. I'm trying not to make you defensive, but to make you understand my point of view... and several others I've spoken to. I'm trying to be helpful

My whole goal of saying anything is just to say. Remember who keeps the business running. The "scene" is the ground lethal (and any shop) stands on... turn your back on them and they'll turn they're back on you.

Also, let me clarify that by saying that I'm not saying that it's been totally forgotten. But I'm starting to see it, and I don't like that.

To add a little note about the fender rolling debacle, I understand your point. But I'm not one to misunderstand things. And typically nothing pisses me off. BUT. The way I was talked to in the matter was not that of a polite explanation. With the first sentence spoken into the phone to me, i felt as if the person on the other end felt "better" than me.

Granted, I haven't seen the amount of work this person has seen. but a business should never pass on this attitude to their potential customer. The customer should always feel welcome.

[Z U L8R]

Yeah!

[J Squared]

You tell em Dave!

[Z U L8R]

seriously though, i rolled the front fenders on my 510, and i spent 3 hours on it taking my time rolling little by little and heating it up with the heat gun and i STILL chipped the paint.

to get it done right i would pay our body guy $75 bucks a side to do it AND I WORK HERE!

but it's easy to call somewhere up, ask for a price on something, they give you a price you don't like, now you're mad and nothing else they say to you is gonna make you happy. i personally think 75 a side is a fair price for someone to take their time and do a professional job on your car. if i had a peice of crap car that was spray painted i'd do it with a bat if i had to, but if i had a nice car that had nice paint i'd have no problem paying that for a pro job.

anywho, i gotta take the bugatti 50CC out for a spin, HOLLA

DAVE =]

[v-empire]

lol thats why most your cars are beat shit crappy. lol

you guys shop for the cheapest motors to buy thinking you can save a buck or two when in fact the motor is like sleeping with a whore from africa.

i shop for a motor with reliable and creditable source. then i pay premium and hope the dude gives me the best motor to his knowledge.

pulling a motor out twice costs me as much if not more than the motor it self.
my time is worth more than the motor. sorry...

dude out there and driving, happy. you guys knock o him because he paid for something because he felt at peace at it, while your junkers are crap.

doesnt matter where he buys the motor from,battlewound, tiger, lethal, mainstream, RIP,NAD, PAcific, Jhot, JArco etc etc... if you pay them premium, i guarantee you they ll pick out the best motor to their knowledge.

[Z U L8R]

Yeah!

[Shiri Juu Atenza]

well put V.