Drifting With Ka24e

[Volcom240sx]

when drifting with a Sohc motor you dont have that much power as alot of other motors like rb, sr, 2jz... but i have a question. i am still a noob at the drifting and just wondering how would be the best way to break it loose with and i mean WITH a open diff. s13blakes13 was like the king at that but now he uses welded.


welded diffs kinda scare me cause i was in one car that had a diff break and shatter and saw another friend almost crash cause his diff shattered also...

so give me some drift tips please.

i know:
clutch kick
e-brake
and a few other tricks..

[FlatWoodsMonster]

with an open diff just snach 2nd. It works every time trust me.

[Photonic]

you got it..clutch Kick.

to sustain the slide you may need several clutch kicks mid slide. clutch kick works for me and my open diff in second gear.

In the wet shift lock works very well, since everything happens so fast I prefer it because you can grab second, get your hand back on the wheel and time your initiation with the clutch pedal.

e-brake works too followed by a clutch kick. Just enough e-brake for a momentary lock, then when you clutch kick you can overpower the wheels easily cuz they already have no grip from being locked.

Ive gotten it loose in 4th a couple times in the rain with a clutch kick but yeah seconds about it in the dry..Unless you are on a track ,have lots of power or dont mind doing side longs down straight aways...its gonna be second gear.

And if you cant transition all you need to do is maintain countersteer and lift off till the car snaps back the other way, then clutch kick it again

[FlatWoodsMonster]

you got it..clutch Kick.

to sustain the slide you may need several clutch kicks mid slide. clutch kick works for me and my open diff in second gear.

In the wet shift lock works very well, since everything happens so fast I prefer it because you can grab second, get your hand back on the wheel and time your initiation with the clutch pedal.

e-brake works too followed by a clutch kick. Just enough e-brake for a momentary lock, then when you clutch kick you can overpower the wheels easily cuz they already have no grip from being locked.

Ive gotten it loose in 4th a couple times in the rain with a clutch kick


when I had an oped diff i would leve the e-breke half up so one wheel would stay locked. But Clutch kicks didnt do shit for me i just got the one wheel peel. When I did the 2nd gear snatch the backend would come out like a mofo.

[Volcom240sx]

yeah like i did try it before and i floored the car in first and felt one tire spinning and i thought i needed more speed so then i shifted hard and kicked to 2nd then broke loose a good bit :D i really just need to get an sr20..


motor or suspension?

[down_shift]

its all ebrake and clutch kick. even with a diff and power. with an open the secret to success is fast entry speed. come to an event and get a good instructor like Tony Schulz to drive your car while you sit shot gun.

[Photonic]

You only get one wheel peel if you dont have any lateral g's built up.

[FlatWoodsMonster]

yeah like i did try it before and i floored the car in first and felt one tire spinning and i thought i needed more speed so then i shifted hard and kicked to 2nd then broke loose a good bit :D i really just need to get an sr20..


motor or suspension?


thats what i think


its all ebrake and clutch kick. even with a diff and power. with an open the secret to success is fast entry speed. come to an event and get a good instructor like Tony Schulz to drive your car while you sit shot gun.

the open diff KING!!!!!!!!!

[Photonic]

yeah like i did try it before and i floored the car in first and felt one tire spinning and i thought i needed more speed so then i shifted hard and kicked to 2nd then broke loose a good bit :D i really just need to get an sr20..


motor or suspension?


I dont like the idea of adding power. Heres how I look at it. We are all mentally wired to do whats most efficient, How to get results with the least amount of time and energy.

So a guy with a powerful car, Who is already getting a certain level of success? its going to be very hard for him to see the need or motivation to really round himself out.

Dont fall into that boat.

and fuck motor AND suspension, Try upgrading the driver.

[down_shift]

i really just need to get an sr20..


motor or suspension?

false

neither. what you need is real seat time. your money is better spent entering events than a swap. The big three for BASIC drift car setup is diff, coils, and a seat.

[FlatWoodsMonster]

I dont like the idea of adding power. Heres how I look at it. We are all mentally wired to do whats most efficient, How to get results with the least amount of time and energy.

So a guy with a powerful car, Who is already getting a certain level of success? its going to be very hard for him to see the need or motivation to really round himself out.

Dont fall into that boat.

and fuck motor AND suspension, Try upgrading the driver.

haha thats good shit right there.

[Photonic]

And the grabbing second thing , thats all about weight shifting.

heres how i visualize it.

You accelerate hard in first and so the car squats, you clutch and grab second and during this time the car is not accelerating so the suspension starts to stabilize and rebound, during this transition you dump the clutch while in second and are fighting the rebound forces. In a sense, the shock is going to transfer more weight MORE QUICKLY untill it begins its downward stroke. So in that moment, you could say you have a slightly higher spring rate. A shock being a reciprocating device cant just spontantiously change direction, it has to be slowed before it can change direction

[FlatWoodsMonster]

And the grabbing second thing , thats all about weight shifting.

heres how i visualize it.

You accelerate hard in first and so the car squats, you clutch and grab second and during this time the car is not accelerating so the suspension starts to stabilize and rebound, during this transition you dump the clutch while in second and are fighting the rebound forces. In a sense, the shock is going to transfer more weight MORE QUICKLY untill it begins its downward stroke. So in that moment, you could say you have a slightly higher spring rate.

hell some red neck told me to do it when my car was stock back in 06.:lmfao:

[Volcom240sx]

its all ebrake and clutch kick. even with a diff and power. with an open the secret to success is fast entry speed. come to an event and get a good instructor like Tony Schulz to drive your car while you sit shot gun.
thanks..

[Photonic]

I dont think entry speed has anything to do with volcolms problems..its about timing.

Once you master good timing and weight transition at low speeds, THEN entry speed becomes important.

[Volcom240sx]

hmm the only bad thing is the stock suspension its hard to understand the car unless your experienced otherwise the body roll is going to throw you around.

[Photonic]

Um with stock suspension its better to understand the car.

A stiffer suspension will only make weight transition reach the wheels quicker , and with less body response

you will have more margin for error with your timing and have a higher initial level of success only because you dont need to time your inputs as accurately, because their effects are increased and more immediate with the stiffer suspension.

[Volcom240sx]

I dont think entry speed has anything to do with volcolms problems..its about timing.

Once you master good timing and weight transition at low speeds, THEN entry speed becomes important.
since when have you been drifting and know so much just wondering? not trying to be mean..

you have been drifting alot in alabama


Um with stock suspension its better to understand the car.

A stiffer suspension will only make weight transition reach the wheels quicker , and with less body response

you will have more margin for error and drift better only because you dont need to time your inputs as accurately, because their effects are increased.
hmm.......higher chances of understeer haha.

[Elizabeth Reed]

just go out and learn. stock is the best wa to learn your car

[Volcom240sx]

just go out and learn. stock is the best wa to learn your car
okay..

[down_shift]

body roll jsut makes your car float more. Its just what your used to. get your suspension sortred beforwe you add power. fast doesnt mean anything if you have no control over it.

[Volcom240sx]

body roll jsut makes your car float more. Its just what your used to. get your suspension sortred beforwe you add power. fast doesnt mean anything if you have no control over it.
yeah and raises chances of harsher crashes...thanks guys.

[down_shift]

just go out and learn. stock is the best wa to learn your car

agree


I dont think entry speed has anything to do with volcolms problems..its about timing.

Once you master good timing and weight transition at low speeds, THEN entry speed becomes important.

without speed you wont be able to maintain drift in an open ka.

[Photonic]

agree



without speed you wont be able to maintain drift in an open ka.

Please read the statement again. The last thing volcom needs to worry about is MAINTAINING a drift with high entry speed....thats unhelpful at this juncture. When he stops asking questions about how to START a slide, then maybe you can tell him to enter faster.

and stop telling people to buy suspension and engines...What a waste of time and energy. Honestly it takes time to make money. Money is much better spent getting seat time, not on parts.

Apparantly he believes power and suspension will make him better, and encouraging him will only make him believe in it more..an neglect his own development.

[zebrafantastic]

what about with a viscous diff? like the one that the SE comes with stock 240... good or at least decent for drifting?

[Photonic]

a VLSD is much better than open diff. its still difficult to initiate but your slides will be alot more consistant.

A vlsd requires some slip to actually take place before it kicks in fully, one side has to slip to "activate" the fluid that compresses the clutches together. Unlike a clutch type which can lock immediately. In a sense a VLSD has to "spool up"

[Cameron.]

just get it welded good, plated on both sides. on a stock KA if its done properly its not gunna break, worry about breaking an axel before a plated diff. mines welded SOHC and it is so much better.

[SandWraith]

Woah this this helps a lot ChukiDori thanks.

[FlatWoodsMonster]

Please read the statement again. The last thing volcom needs to worry about is MAINTAINING a drift with high entry speed....thats unhelpful at this juncture. When he stops asking questions about how to START a slide, then maybe you can tell him to enter faster.

and stop telling people to buy suspension and engines...What a waste of time and energy. Honestly it takes time to make money. Money is much better spent getting seat time, not on parts.

Apparantly he believes power and suspension will make him better, and encouraging him will only make him believe in it more..an neglect his own development.

lol its hard to take you post seriously with that avatar

and why is your name Kiss Drift????

[Photonic]

I have a chuki ^_^

[Casey]

yeah fast entry speeds like down_shift said.

that works great with an open diff.

slow yourself down with the ebrake and brake.

the weight of the rear of the car will push the rear outward go fast, hit the brakes or just ebrake and turn in a hair then clutch kick it when youve got a little bit of angle and are slowed down enough. and bam youre mid slide. now just point the wheels along the track and throttle to control angle. dont drive the car let the car slide itself.

[FlatWoodsMonster]

I have a chuki ^_^

Bunta is the man. And you have a Kiss????

[Photonic]

Yes *rolls eyes*

[JJ Alfano]

anyone who open diff drifts will tell you need speed, with speed and a good clutch kick comes momentum, thats the only way you will be able to drift. You can murder your clutch to get around a turn, but to do what matt, blake, and darrin do you need momentum.

[Elizabeth Reed]

dblock, open diff king on 240atl

[Photonic]

anyone who open diff drifts will tell you need speed, with speed and a good clutch kick comes momentum, thats the only way you will be able to drift. You can murder your clutch to get around a turn, but to do what matt, blake, and darrin do you need momentum.

This is true and all..But honestly.

The last thing you want to reinforce in someone who is asking "HOW DO I START A SLIDE" Is tell them they need speed. Thats a recipe for disaster.

once you get the basics of initiation down..you can worry about speed later. it will become apparent once you get seat time anyway

[JJ Alfano]

if they cant get speed then they shouldnt be drifting open diff. they are wasting their time. and their clutch.

[Photonic]

How would you define speed then? Its really subjective...in a second gear environment such as parking lots which is where im sure michael goes, its still possible to link and transition and create oversteer.

Is he going to events? Its something I should do...And definitely something he should do.

I dont think theres anything wrong with driving the piss out of the car at slower speeds to get it to do what you want..Its abusive but its not bad to get seat time In any mannar.

[FlatWoodsMonster]

a lot of good info in this thread

[Photonic]

MY stance is coming from a place of Self Development.

If you are that eager to become a GREAT super awesome drifter quickly? by buying parts and engine swaps? you shouldnt be doing it..it shows you are outcome dependent and you cant just do it for fun.

And like i said, speed is subjective depending on the environment.

[JJ Alfano]

That kid is broke as hell. He's never going to go to an event. He will be in a tiny ass parking lot, or suck someones dick to find out where our parking lot is. Bottom line is, as a noob you either learn on the street or you go to an event. Don't drive out of your limit, and be prepared to fuck up because you will. Especially with open diff. Understeer is natural and only way to counter that is speed. Not my problem. I learned without fucking shit up, so can he if he's mentally capable of learning to know his limits.


MY stance is coming from a place of Self Development.

If you are that eager to become a GREAT super awesome drifter quickly? by buying parts and engine swaps? you shouldnt be doing it..it shows you are outcome dependent and you cant just do it for fun.

And like i said, speed is subjective depending on the environment.

drifting isnt fun open diff. Once you get a diff that locks you will NEVER EVER EVER go back unless its for ergonomic, or monetary reasons.

[FlatWoodsMonster]

That kid is broke as hell. He's never going to go to an event. He will be in a tiny ass parking lot, or suck someones dick to find out where our parking lot is. Bottom line is, as a noob you either learn on the street or you go to an event. Don't drive out of your limit, and be prepared to fuck up because you will. Especially with open diff. Understeer is natural and only way to counter that is speed. Not my problem. I learned without fucking shit up, so can he if he's mentally capable of learning to know his limits.



drifting isnt fun open diff. Once you get a diff that locks you will NEVER EVER EVER go back unless its for ergonomic, or monetary reasons.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/12/02/InitialD_051202011044939_wideweb__300x436.jpg

[Photonic]

Its not fun because you are basing what is fun on outside standards of what drifting is "supposed" to be.

This is a good example of my what is rice thread, in action.

If you take pleasure in developing yourself as a driver period, drifting open diff is fun. Why worry about how great it looks or that you are below other people.

Once you max out open diff capability or at least get to a level where you really understand what you want, Then you can go get an LSD and not look back. But to get an LSD just because everyone else has one and drifts better than you with it, isnt a valid reason to go buy one. Thats an example of reacting to outside standards.

[down_shift]

chukidori your post are way too long.

its simple. go to an event and ask for instruction. all the internet info isnt going to help much. you really need to just drive with an instructor.

fact: if you initiate without speed all you will do is straighten up.

[FlatWoodsMonster]

fuck drifting and fuck S13s

[Photonic]

chukidori your post are way too long.

its simple. go to an event and ask for instruction. all the internet info isnt going to help much. you really need to just drive with an instructor.



^ true true.

And like I said..Speed is subjective to the environment. and will be become apparent to him after he gets MORE seat time. he doesn't need to buy suspension OR engine parts.

[down_shift]

did I say he should buy engine stuff? no I didnt. I KNOW you dont need anything more than a ka to drift local events. suspension makes your car more predicatable. see my first post where I outlined BASIC drift car setup. Diff, coils, seat. in that order.

[JJ Alfano]

I know plenty of people that drifted open diff, stock suspension 240s.

They all fucked their shit up and fixed the diff and suspension. LOL.

There is a reason, and honestly you should just cut the middle man out. Enough seat time will overlook the "I started open diff to learn weight transition, bullshit"

Yeah it helps. But when you are still in highschool and are too broke to only drift at one event every 2 months or drift on the street, you honestly need to just spend 800 bucks for suspension and weld your diff and out onto the track. Going from open diff to locked diff will not make you any better, what makes you better is the experience behind the wheel.

[down_shift]

drifting isnt fun open diff. Once you get a diff that locks you will NEVER EVER EVER go back unless its for ergonomic, or monetary reasons.

I had tons of fun drifting my open. But a real clutch diff is the only way to go imo.

[Photonic]

You don't need to qualify yourself to me down_shift

I never said you said anything of the sort. I just want it to sink into Michaels head.


I know plenty of people that drifted open diff, stock suspension 240s.

They all fucked their shit up and fixed the diff and suspension. LOL.

There is a reason, and honestly you should just cut the middle man out. Enough seat time will overlook the "I started open diff to learn weight transition, bullshit"

Yeah it helps. But when you are still in highschool and are too broke to only drift at one event every 2 months or drift on the street, you honestly need to just spend 800 bucks for suspension and weld your diff and out onto the track. Going from open diff to locked diff will not make you any better, what makes you better is the experience behind the wheel.

^ now this post is GOOD. This is the word of someone with more experience than me. I just dont like it when people just ..impose their views as correct or superior. "Open diff sucks, get a clutch type" People cant think for themselves this way, your post here explained the principles behind it and thus is good.

[down_shift]

and stop telling people to buy suspension and engines...What a waste of time and energy.

I guess you were talking to someone else? little unclear.

[Photonic]

Without going back and reading that whole page..I think you indirectly approved him buying "suspension" over engine parts. When In fact he should just get seat time, and Not be told to buy anything.

Thats what I was getting at. And if he can manage to drift without fucking shit up, I dont see the problem with him staying Open diff. JJ even said it himself, It makes no difference if you go from open diff to locked diff its the experience behind the wheel. So by that arguement..seat time is seat time, Even if its open diff seat time I think its better to just save your money for tires and events untill you really NEED a clutch type.

Ive yet to fuck anything on my car up from Open diff practice...

[down_shift]

I said the best use of your money IS seat time. but suspension > engine/swaps.

[Photonic]

I said the best use of your money IS seat time. but suspension > engine/swaps.


Jolly good ^_^

[down_shift]

na ka open diff!
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/2311000-2311999/2311640_40_full.jpg

[SCato]

http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=what+is+the+best+way+to+drift+with+my+stock+240 sx%3F

[FlatWoodsMonster]

http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=what+is+the+best+way+to+drift+with+my+stock+240 sx%3F

lol

[down_shift]

http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=what+is+the+best+way+to+drift+with+my+stock+240 sx%3F

lol

[Banzai]

Go fast, feint, clutch kick.

[jiminycricket]

I have an open diff. And I enjoy all its exuberance.

[Volcom240sx]

anyone who open diff drifts will tell you need speed, with speed and a good clutch kick comes momentum, thats the only way you will be able to drift. You can murder your clutch to get around a turn, but to do what matt, blake, and darrin do you need momentum.
yeah btw you killed it in darrins car you drifted all the poles at cough* :D


a lot of good info in this thread
true dat.


chukidori your post are way too long.

its simple. go to an event and ask for instruction. all the internet info isnt going to help much. you really need to just drive with an instructor.

fact: if you initiate without speed all you will do is straighten up.
yeah they are haha..

[Darrin s13]

anyone who open diff drifts will tell you need speed, with speed and a good clutch kick comes momentum, thats the only way you will be able to drift. You can murder your clutch to get around a turn, but to do what matt, blake, and darrin do you need momentum.


yeah you need mad amounts of speed micheal and a decent clutch, mine sohc cam clutch is gone from drifting open diff, its not easy you need lots of car control cause your basiclly fighting your car the whole time


yeah btw you killed it in darrins car you drifted all the poles at cough* :D



thats not a really hard spot to do that at because all you have to do open diff is clutch kick and floor it the whole time thats what i had to do when i slide open diff-sohc

just dont drift your car, its too clean

and dont cut your springs either or weld your diff sorry but your not ready

[s7_]

watch lots of initial d, just lots of it.

[Darrin s13]

watch lots of initial d, just lots of it.


agreed

[Matt geo]

just thinking about this is will make something go wrong. before you start drifting make sure you have a parts car cause you will break shit with open diff. playing grid should help you out some. and mongie some dirt roads. it helps a lot. just be prepared to reck. and put aside like 200 dollars for towing just in case.

im just trying to prepare you for the world of open diff man

[JTA021]

lmk if you want a reliable welded diff., $40 bucks.

[down_shift]

my open NEVER gave me any problems. I think you guys should consider so basic maintenance.

[ChacaSlider]

when I had an oped diff i would leve the e-breke half up so one wheel would stay locked. But Clutch kicks didnt do shit for me i just got the one wheel peel. When I did the 2nd gear snatch the backend would come out like a mofo.
i did the same thing in my beamer and it just kicked out.

[whatever210]

sam didnt have a problem drifting my sr with open diff one night lol. matter of fact he said my car was easy to drift. but ive got lowering springs to help with body roll and shit but when i was watching sam he had to come in fast to get speed then clutch kick and then from there having the speed and angle he was just able to hold it. it was sweet! when i was out at dayor i found with open diff it was easier to get into the drift (sort of) with more speed than going into it slower. at first i was scared. once i got past that and went for more speed it realy started to come to me on how i could start to do better. but i just started so listening prob isnt the best thing lol

[jdm clay]

hey i have a sohc with open diff and when its dry i grab 2nd, snatch the ebrake and clutch kick it. works every time.

[Banzai]

lmk if you want a reliable welded diff., $40 bucks.

do this^

[Volcom240sx]

lmk if you want a reliable welded diff., $40 bucks.
deal.


sam didnt have a problem drifting my sr with open diff one night lol. matter of fact he said my car was easy to drift. but ive got lowering springs to help with body roll and shit but when i was watching sam he had to come in fast to get speed then clutch kick and then from there having the speed and angle he was just able to hold it. it was sweet! when i was out at dayor i found with open diff it was easier to get into the drift (sort of) with more speed than going into it slower. at first i was scared. once i got past that and went for more speed it realy started to come to me on how i could start to do better. but i just started so listening prob isnt the best thing lol
key word is SRRRRR!!! lol... its not hard to drift a car with alot of power..

[JTA021]

drive to loganville on a monday or wend and drop it off.. ill have it done the next day.

[Volcom240sx]

drive to loganville on a monday or wend and drop it off.. ill have it done the next day.
i know how to swap diffs. but i need to get more money before anything really. i drift open for a lil while and if it keeps messing my car up then i will buy yours deal?

[JTA021]

na.. i mean i will be welding the one on your car. lol. you take it out, drain it. bring it to me. i take it to work and weld it, you come get it the next day. sorry i wasnt more specific

[Volcom240sx]

na.. i mean i will be welding the one on your car. lol. you take it out, drain it. bring it to me. i take it to work and weld it, you come get it the next day. sorry i wasnt more specific
oh cool..but... if it breaks you fix or get new one for me free of charge?

[JTA021]

never had that happen, but if it does ill weld another one for free i suppose. lol im a certified welder, never had anything go wrong with my diffs.

[Volcom240sx]

never had that happen, but if it does ill weld another one for free i suppose. lol im a certified welder, never had anything go wrong with my diffs.
OoooOO!! maybe you can help with my exhaust..?

[C.Ward]

coils diff and learn on your own. so many people are telling you soo much shit. JUST DO IT. lol

[JTA021]

possibly...

[Volcom240sx]

coils diff and learn on your own. so many people are telling you soo much shit. JUST DO IT. lol
alright and you gotta let me drift/ party with you... heard your parties were hardcore.


possibly...
well my exhaust is sitting really low... cant get into place cause of the gas tank being bent..could you dent the gas tank back? or find a way to make the exhaust fit into place?

[JTA021]

dude, dont screw around with a bent gas tank. just buy a used one off a car being parted out.

[Volcom240sx]

okay...well can you help install it? and what do i do if alot of screws are broken still in place..like rusted and when you tried to take them off they broke.

[JTA021]

yeh i can, then depending on what broke and where it broke you can try an easy out (for broken bolts inside something). or some vicegrips if you can get to the broken stud.

[Volcom240sx]

thanks man

[Darrin s13]

alright and you gotta let me drift/ party with you... heard your parties were hardcore.

no there gay all we did was watch a horse fuck this girl in the ass and drink beer all night quuurr

you wouldnt like it :pirate:

[Matt geo]

bro welded diffs are iffy. me s13blake and darrin s13 all had diffs lock up on us. i didnt even drive mines for 30miles before mines went out

[SCato]

depends if you get it welded properly. and not by some redneck with a welder and a 6-pack.

[Blake]

yay for welded diff
mine is still good its in dans car

[JJ Alfano]

A true party consists of horses, hardcore metal breakdowns, and lots and lots of mustaches.

[Photonic]

^ hahaha

[Volcom240sx]

no there gay all we did was watch a horse fuck this girl in the ass and drink beer all night quuurr

you wouldnt like it :pirate:
lol ok


A true party consists of horses, hardcore metal breakdowns, and lots and lots of mustaches.
true....

[Photonic]

A bunch of dudes together watching Porn and drinking beer is just homo..

[Volcom240sx]

A bunch of dudes together watching Porn and drinking beer is just homo..
not unless you want it to be.

[down_shift]

only if you have your pants on.

[Photonic]

Yeah, everyone take your pants off so you arent homo. *rolleyes*

" I say if you give me that evil look one more time, Im half inclined to slip into my PJ's and have a pillow fight with you"

[Volcom240sx]

only if you have your pants on.
and no one is touching others right?

[Darrin s13]

wow i was kidding

[Volcom240sx]

wow i was kidding
whose car is faster hehe! mine. +reps for getting car running. sounds mean as fuck.

[Darrin s13]

whose car is faster hehe! mine. +reps for getting car running. sounds mean as fuck.


okay yeah see were going 60 i drop from fifth to third and stomp on it with bald ass tires and spin them in third, fourth and fifth and you still barley kept up race me now lol

but forreal come get this gas tank so i can crush this shell man i need the money

[Volcom240sx]

okay yeah see were going 60 i drop from fifth to third and stomp on it with bald ass tires and spin them in third, fourth and fifth and you still barley kept up race me now lol

but forreal come get this gas tank so i can crush this shell man i need the money
alright take it out and i will pick it up tomorrow morning

[Darrin s13]

i cant do it by myself why dont you come over and help me pull it out since im giving it to you for free and possibly putting it in your car for free

[Volcom240sx]

i cant do it by myself why dont you come over and help me pull it out since im giving it to you for free and possibly putting it in your car for free
dont know just yet i am leaving for chicago illinois today :/

[C.Ward]

bro welded diffs are iffy. me s13blake and darrin s13 all had diffs lock up on us. i didnt even drive mines for 30miles before mines went out


because they never cleaned it out after it got welded!!!!!!! you /darrin/blake owe me a open diff

[Darrin s13]

because they never cleaned it out after it got welded!!!!!!! you /darrin/blake owe me a open diff


blake owes you a open diff

fagg

i think were coming up next weekend

[250zsilvia]

i know:
clutch kick
e-brake
and a few other tricks..

hell naw that was funny!

[Matt geo]

because they never cleaned it out after it got welded!!!!!!! you /darrin/blake owe me a open diff


blake said i could barrow it for a few weeks. it didnt even last a day. but i gave it back to blake(even though its locked up). well its in darrin's garage. so im out of this one. Peacee

[BigJack]

sohc sux more nnegs after24 horusa