180 vs. '02 WRX

[Blacktop180]

So.. I raced this guy about 6/7 times. It was 2 o'clock, after school down one of the highways around here. We raced on a roll a couple times and then we just straight stopped on the highway and launched a few times..I wanted to see how i would fare against AWD with a 1.5 LSD..Well of course from a stop i got killed through first and second (I do have bald tires also sooo yea..), even though i hooked up really well one of the times, but as i was going into third , i would start catching him pretty fast. I would pass him around 100 -110 mph in 4th, get about a length on him and then let off. On a roll, once in second, and twice in third gear, it was really just me pulling on him. We both had a passeger and were both running 10psi. I didn't really talk to him about any other mods except the boost, but i know he had a FMI, exhaust and suspension work -- i'm guessing he was stock other than that, but i still thought a WRX would have been more of a challenge...fun race though!

[Shiri Juu Atenza]

What color was the 180??

[yellow_guy]

nice kill

[Blacktop180]

mine - it's flat black with gold 16's at the moment

[1SLWPOS]

240's are slow

[Blacktop180]

yea they are actually, that's why i'm surprised that I beat cars like this

[1SLWPOS]

wrx are even slower ^.^

[Nick Jeezy]

^ yes they are.

[Leroy457]

I just became realy fucking angery for no reason i think I'm bypoler.

[1SLWPOS]

And what does that have to do w/ slow wrx?

OH SNAP JEEZY I STOLE YOUR SIG AND ADDED IT TO MY AVATAR RAWR. I HOPE YOU FEEL USED.

[owned by pandas]

sweet

[sergey911]

nice kill, what's in the 180?

[Blacktop180]

Blacktop w/FMI , Apex'i exhaust, intake, 255 Walboro, short-shifter, 1.5 LSD, and 11lb flywheel, and boosting 10psi normally ( 10psi on this race)

[danthedestroyer]

cool, i got owned by a lady in a caddy. but she t-boned me so there was no winner. lol,god i miss my 86.

[caseyfoster]

Stock wrx's boost 12 psi, if he had those mods then he more then likely had an access port which allows the car to boost to around 14.5. BUT you said he had an fmic and prob a stock turbo (LAG) Dont forget that a wrx is sitting close to 3800 lbs with no driver and your 180 is ~2500. And wrx's are not slow, i use to have one. Its all on how you mod it.

[Thomas]

no way a wrx weighs 3800 lbs more like around 3200 lbs give or take a few.

[caseyfoster]

no way a wrx weighs 3800 lbs more like around 3200 lbs give or take a few.
ok its 3192 lb (1448 kg) for the WRX with no driver. so 3200+ 150-170 = 3370 wrx vs 2400-2600 180 same amount of power who winz?

[white_s14]

guy with the most gas in his car ^_^

[~The_Duke~]

WRXs are only a 2.0L turbo and they are fairly heavy due to the AWD so it doesnt surpise me that you were pulling on him pretty hard.

[caseyfoster]

WRXs are only a 2.0L turbo and they are fairly heavy due to the AWD so it doesnt surpise me that you were pulling on him pretty hard.
hahaha i woulda killed myself if another 2 liter turbo would pulled my on subie. like i said its all on how you mod it. ask flip about it

[~The_Duke~]

hahaha i woulda killed myself if another 2 liter turbo would pulled my on subie. like i said its all on how you mod it. ask flip about it

Most motors are like that though, but alot of people that dont know their subbies act like the WRX has the same motor as the STis.

[FlatWoodsMonster]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CbqFGapihP0

[Blacktop180]

hell yea Bonkers !!! That was a classic cartoon rite there, not like most of the BS toons on these days. Yo Thunder Cats where my favorite though!!

[caseyfoster]

Most motors are like that though, but alot of people that dont know their subbies act like the WRX has the same motor as the STis.
And your point?

[slammed95240sx]

subys are fat
but i like em

[Lsnaple]

WRX's aren't bad. I have one, and it's definately no slouch. It's stock save for a STi exhaust. If he had FMIC on stock turbo he's retarded. I haven't driven a boosted 240 though so I can't compare.

[koolcat]

nice kill though

[Blacktop180]

grassy-ass

[ser_iousss]

Duke what up man? i took your advice.

[~The_Duke~]

Duke what up man? i took your advice.

Excellent... another Spec V owner...

[Turboboxer]

Why would a WRX run 10 psi?

Was he giving you a handicap?

Stock we run a few more lbs than that and our cars pull hard to 130 mph

[s14Kouki]

Why would a WRX run 10 psi?

Was he giving you a handicap?

Stock we run a few more lbs than that and our cars pull hard to 130 mph

What do they run stock??? I thought 10lbs was pushing it for stock boost..

Nice kill bro!!!

[Turboboxer]

What do they run stock??? I thought 10lbs was pushing it for stock boost..

Nice kill bro!!!

Well, until 2006 stock we ran 13.5 lbs... in all gears 2006 limits first gear boost to 11 lbs.

Me being catless I run more than 13.5 for a quick peak to almost 15 in mid RPM range...

I am new and don't want to cause trouble, but I just smell something in this Kill story and it ain't exhaust...;)

[Banzai]

I have an 06, its not a 2.0 liter 06 comes tihe the EJ25. and its not slow. at all.

the older ones are slower, but still not slow.

[Turboboxer]

I have an 06, its not a 2.0 liter 06 comes tihe the EJ25. and its not slow. at all.

the older ones are slower, but still not slow.

Driver's race my friend... got plenty of buddies with the 2.5 L.... Of course they all smoke me once hey go catless and get a tune...

[Devious Furlong]

Well, until 2006 stock we ran 13.5 lbs... in all gears 2006 limits first gear boost to 11 lbs.

Me being catless I run more than 13.5 for a quick peak to almost 15 in mid RPM range...

I am new and don't want to cause trouble, but I just smell something in this Kill story and it ain't exhaust...;)


I thought the same thing. Something is being left out of his kill story.

[Lukepeavy]

yeah well i have a 1.3 liter engine with 6.5 psi so there

[Blacktop180]

Well, until 2006 stock we ran 13.5 lbs... in all gears 2006 limits first gear boost to 11 lbs.

Me being catless I run more than 13.5 for a quick peak to almost 15 in mid RPM range...

I am new and don't want to cause trouble, but I just smell something in this Kill story and it ain't exhaust...;)
so are you saying that beacuse you run catless that that boosts up your psi? or that it's safer for you run higher boost now because you run catless? I smell something too and it's not knowledge. I have no reason to lie about the race. I put down 231whp and i weigh 2590lbs so you do the math....this guy goes to school with me, so I know exactly what he's running...No offense though, you didn't know :smile:

[cjacob74]

my friends wrx is running 2.5 striaghts from the turbo back n a 06 wrx tr edition, n hes runnin about 10 psi, 7 before he went catless. 5 with stock exhaust.

[Turboboxer]

so are you saying that beacuse you run catless that that boosts up your psi? or that it's safer for you run higher boost now because you run catless? I smell something too and it's not knowledge. I have no reason to lie about the race. I put down 231whp and i weigh 2590lbs so you do the math....this guy goes to school with me, so I know exactly what he's running...No offense though, you didn't know :smile:


Umm... yeah a free-er flowing exhaust without 3 cats has changed how the car runs... imagine that.... Want to come for a ride in the car? I would let you drive it... you can watch the guage for yourself. I am not lying either. Yes, you can turn the boost up more after removing the pre cat... there is a cat in the uppipe pre turbo and you risk pushing it threw your turbo if you turn up boost before you replace it with a catless uppipe..... I am guessing you don't know much about a WRX if you are asking this, but no offesnse obviously YOU didn't know what you were talking about:smile:. I have not used any kind of boost controller on my car though and I do have knowledge of my car. I have been playing with the WRX's for years now... Knowledge and experience.... You may know way more about a 240sx and that is all well and good. I will be the first to admit I am a total noob when it comes to a 240, but I do know a thing or two about Subaru, so give me some credit and don't talk to me like I am an idiot. I only spoke about things I know about nothing to do with your car.....

So, just to be clear here are my questions.....

You said that both you and the WRX ran 10lbs of boost and had passengers.... am I right?

How did he do that? How did a WRX run less than stock boost no matter what year it was?

Does he have a boost controller? Did he turned down for you guys to race? A WRX runs more boost than that stock.... If you beat him... I could gives a shit... good for you street racer. I just pointed out some of your facts did not make sense to me.

2002-2005 Engine Spec

North America receives its first Impreza WRX models. They are equipped with an EJ205 engine rated at 227 hp (169 kW) at 6000 rpm with 217 lb·ft (294 N·m) at 4000 rpm. Unlike the Japanese EJ205, the US-spec engine uses a Mitsubishi TD04-13T turbocharger unit. In stock form, it reaches a peak 13.5 psi of boost. The seats are the same as the basic J-spec Impreza. The wheels are cast 16***8221; x 6.5***8221; version of the J-spec WRX NB wheels while the brakes are 2-piston/1-piston front and rear with the front rotors being ventilated disks. 2002 WRXs came with brake duct plates that guided the air in the front bumper vent to the wheel well. The gear ratios are the standard export models, but the final drive is a 3.9:1 ratio. The rear LSD is a viscous coupling type. The steering rack has a ratio of 16.5:1. The 4 gear electronic automatic transmission (4EAT) WRXs have a Variable Torque Distribution AWD system instead of the conventional viscous coupling center differential. VTD employs an electronically controlled hydraulic transfer clutch and a planetary gear center differential to distribute power in a 45:55 split between the front and rear axles under normal circumstances. The VTD system uses multiple sensors to measure front and rear driveshaft speeds, throttle position and gear selection. Then it actively transfers power accordingly between the front and rear wheels for optimum traction and handling. The WRX weighs 3085 lb (1399 kg).

The WRX received the same Peter Stevens-designed face lift that rest of the Imprezas received. The WRX uses the same contoured seats as the 2004 US-spec WRX STI. The WRX is equipped with multi-phase valve struts to improve ride quality while retaining good handling. Tach is moved to center and speedo is on the right now.


my friends wrx is running 2.5 striaghts from the turbo back n a 06 wrx tr edition, n hes runnin about 10 psi, 7 before he went catless. 5 with stock exhaust.


That is not exactly right either....


2006- Engine Spec

The biggest change was the 2.5-liter turbocharged intercooled EJ255 engine, producing 230 hp (172 kW) at 5600 rpm. It replaced the 2.0-liter EJ205 engine used since the WRX model's introduction. The larger-displacement engine produces 235 lb·ft (319 N·m) of peak torque at 3,600 rpm, compared to 217 lb·ft (294 N·m). at 4,000 rpm for the previous WRX. Performance was improved in all speed ranges, with greater emphasis on low-end and mid-range torque. The 2.5-liter WRX engine shares architecture and technology with the WRX STI engine, including Subaru Active Valve Control System (AVCS) variable valve timing technology and an Electronic Throttle Control system. The turbocharger remains the same unit as on the 2002-2005MY US-spec WRXs, but now only peaks at 11.6 psi of boost. The first gear in the transmission received dual-ring synchros to improve downshifts from 2nd to 1st.


Which after looking up I realize I was wrong earlier in the thread when I thought only first was limited but boost is limited in all gears compared to previous years, but is still more than 10 lbs. i have no problem admitting a mistake.

[omgwtfbbq]

Boost creep also plays a big part with a free flowing exhaust. I would never own a WRX because of the glassbox transmission.

[Memme]

Whatever noob! You can't beat teh REX!!! :toung2:

They are teh faster than GOD... just admit it, you lost! :pirate:

:goodjob:

j/k

[Turboboxer]

Whatever noob! You can't beat teh REX!!! :toung2:

They are teh faster than GOD... just admit it, you lost! :pirate:

:goodjob:

j/k


Shut the fuck up Mem.... Yew come for ride to verify... Everyone knows you ah z master... I just noticed this kid is not in Atl or GA for that matter....

[Memme]

Shut the fuck up Mem.... Yew come for ride to verify... Everyone knows you ah z master... I just noticed this kid is not in Atl or GA for that matter....

PMG FOR SRSLY?!! :o

Yeah, I've been in your car... it's slower than... sandwich. :toung:

[Blacktop180]

Shut the fuck up Mem.... Yew come for ride to verify... Everyone knows you ah z master... I just noticed this kid is not in Atl or GA for that matter....
Let's not get hostile. I can admit a mistake also. I don't know too much about WRX's except the basics, but I know that the guy said he was boosting 10psi and that he has a boost controller (electronic I think). I also have a profecB II. You were talking about boost creep, and that doesn't happen to me really. I used to run a manual boost controller and that used to creep about 2-3psi...but that was consistent and then it would drop back to 10psi...I think it would do that because i was trying to push 10psi and it was inbetween clicks on the controller, so it was always a little less accurate than the one I have now. Neway yea I've always been messing with cars that are older and that have no restrictions in the exhaust (cats and such). But yea the WRX is kinda slow man. I mean, out of the hole, it's nasty...like i said he was gone and I thought that I would lose. But third gear is sick in the 240 and after that I had him...it's like the WRX just totally lost steam and my car came alive...I mean we raced like 7 times, from a roll and from a dig, and the dude lost every race...so those are the facts bro. I'm sure an STi would give be a way bigger challenge though. And yea I'm in PA going to Wyotech rite now.

[Lukepeavy]

Im not 100% sure an sti would have faired much better the sti and wrx have almost identical 1/4 mile times also I ran an sti from a roll start and pulled on him until we hit 120 and he got to 6th and he just kinda walked on me so you'd probably have him at least until then as well

[Turboboxer]

See, I work with Memm... he is actually right over there, right now... so don't worry about that....

Well, if I still have the WRX and you are in Atlanta let's go to Commerce one night and do it legal.... We will see there...:pirate:

I may have some boost creep but REX's run hog rich with the stock tune so it is not hurting anything...


My whole thing again is this....I don't know why anyone would buy a boost controller and turn their boost down below stock. Maybe they wanted, a slower car:toung: :thinking: :screwy: :confused:

[BlackMage]

ok its 3192 lb (1448 kg) for the WRX with no driver. so 3200+ 150-170 = 3370 wrx vs 2400-2600 180 same amount of power who winz?

That's a light ass 180. Hell my 240 hatch weighed a little over 2600 gutted with a full tank of gas SR20 swap and the lighter silvia front end and that's with me not in it.

[Memme]

That's a light ass 180. Hell my 240 hatch weighed a little over 2600 gutted with a full tank of gas SR20 swap and the lighter silvia front end and that's with me not in it.

Yeah... that's almost 250 lbs lost depending on the trim... that's a lot of weight to shed... getting rid of some stuff for sure.

I actually believe in adding weight... I've got mine loaded with books and heavy tools... that way it makes it less fuel efficient, and harder to stop. Almost as if I was actually fast... :goodjob:

Oh, and it lowers it... like... maybe 2mm... something like that.

[Turboboxer]

Yeah... that's almost 250 lbs lost depending on the trim... that's a lot of weight to shed... getting rid of some stuff for sure.

I actually believe in adding weight... I've got mine loaded with books and heavy tools... that way it makes it less fuel efficient, and harder to stop. Almost as if I was actually fast... :goodjob:

Oh, and it lowers it... like... maybe 2mm... something like that.


*Slaps front head*

[Blacktop180]

That's a light ass 180. Hell my 240 hatch weighed a little over 2600 gutted with a full tank of gas SR20 swap and the lighter silvia front end and that's with me not in it.
yea this was a guess because I weighed my car on a scale and it weighed 2625lbs. After that I got 16's instead of 18's and some lighter seats.. so I'm something like 2590-2600 now...but I also roll around with tools haha So yea whatever :wink:

[Casey]

the wrx i drove hit .7bar and stopped.

.7 x 14.7 = 10.29

so about 10 pounds of boost.

wasnt too fast. fun 4 door though.


and btw. the way races used to go

it was $xx a gear

this is before 6 speeds though. so 5 gears

person who won launch pretty much got first second and third gear. after that 4th and 5th was all topspeed stuff.

so yea you beat him technically but not really. you would have had to fork cash over for your "win" lol

[Blacktop180]

See, I work with Memm... he is actually right over there, right now... so don't worry about that....

Well, if I still have the WRX and you are in Atlanta let's go to Commerce one night and do it legal.... We will see there...:pirate:

I may have some boost creep but REX's run hog rich with the stock tune so it is not hurting anything...


My whole thing again is this....I don't know why anyone would buy a boost controller and turn their boost down below stock. Maybe they wanted, a slower car:toung: :thinking: :screwy: :confused:
Yea man sounds good to me...i'll be back down there in either December or March, so make sure your shit is running good. I have to warn you though that I might have a little more power at the ground by the time I get there. Plans are for either a GReddy T67-25G or a TD06-20G :yes:

[Maniaç]

If the WRX was only running 10psi he seriously had something wrong with his car lol that boost level is even lower than stock's. I'm sure he had your basic wrx owner mods; intake, tbe, front mount, hks bov(lol no need for it but eh), and ap.

[Turboboxer]

Yea man sounds good to me...i'll be back down there in either December or March, so make sure your shit is running good. I have to warn you though that I might have a little more power at the ground by the time I get there. Plans are for either a GReddy T67-25G or a TD06-20G :yes:

Das cool sounds fun but pray to God I don't have my car still by then.... need to sell like last week


If the WRX was only running 10psi he seriously had something wrong with his car lol that boost level is even lower than stock's. I'm sure he had your basic wrx owner mods; intake, tbe, front mount, hks bov(lol no need for it but eh), and ap.

Dude exactly what I been saying.... it was an 02 according to OP so it would run the 13.5 lbs

[Blacktop180]

This makes sense to me also....
the wrx i drove hit .7bar and stopped.

.7 x 14.7 = 10.29

so about 10 pounds of boost.

wasnt too fast. fun 4 door though.


and btw. the way races used to go

it was $xx a gear

this is before 6 speeds though. so 5 gears

person who won launch pretty much got first second and third gear. after that 4th and 5th was all topspeed stuff.

so yea you beat him technically but not really. you would have had to fork cash over for your "win" lol

[Turboboxer]

This makes sense to me also....


I give up nice kill... you miss my point everytime!

[BlackMage]

Once I find a front clip and get the engine installed I'll race you in my FWD Mirage :p

[Blacktop180]

I give up nice kill... you miss my point everytime!
naw i get what ur sayin , I just know that he told me he was runnin 10psi, and viperbites' quote also makes sense if he was runnin 10 psi...but seriously I don't really care - if ur arguing that he ran me with more psi and he didn't even know it or whatever weird situation like that, then that's just a better kill for me...all disputes aside...i like subies . They're good cars. They just don't have any 3rd gear or higher stamina...atleast the low horsepower ones that I've seen. Not trying to sound like a dick, so no offense. Thanks for the "hey man nice kill"
-peace