Killswitch Performance Swap.../my side of story

[FlyingStroke240]

Since everybody kept asking what went down between killswitch performance and my car, here is my side of the story.

MY side of the story In October of 2007, I called Tyler about doing my rb20det swap. He returned my call couple days later with a quote of $2600.00 I called him and told him that I did not have the amount of money that he was asking and well enough, we discussed the price and we came down to $1200.00 since I already have the majority of the part that was needed for the swaps. I told Tyler that I need to clean my engine bay, painted, put the crossmembers in, and then put the new custom power steering lines in my car before I bring it up there to his place.

On November 19, 2007 Tyler called and told me that they were moving from working at the house to the new shop in Atlanta and were going to establish a shop under the name “Killswitch performance”. He asked me if I found somebody to move my engine from my house to the shop but I told him no and later he called me back saying he was coming to pick it up. Later that night, he showed up in a truck and pick up my engine and I went ahead and gave him $500 for down payment on the labor and then $70 for gas. He told me that he should have it done in a week or two. A week or two went by and he called me saying that the intake manifold cooling lines were not lining up that he was going to modified the coolant lines. I told him to go ahead and do what need it to be done. I was surprised that the intake manifold did not fit because Louis (nomenai on 240atlanta) was just running the manifold on his car before he lost the engine and then sold intake manifold to me since he was parting it out.

Couple days later, he call and told me that they have all the stuff done and were wondering when I was going to bring my car to the shop. I told them that I just got done cleaning my engine bay, put in the r32 crossmember, and that now I just need to paint it. He went ahead and told me to just bring the car up there to the shop that he’ll go ahead and finish up the paint. Since I did not have a truck, I went ahead and called a tow truck which cost me ($230) to move the car to the shop on 11-29-2007. Couple days later, Tyler called and said that the XSpower exhaust manifold/turbo was hitting the valve cover that he was going to get Kyle to fix it. I told him to go ahead and do what needs to be done. From November to January 5, 2008 I did not have much contact with them because he told me my car was going to be done by the end of December. I waited and never got any calls from them. On January 10th, after I lost my daily driver, I’ve called to see what was going on but I was unable to understand why my car was not finished within 3months. These people have claimed to do many swaps but I’m not seeing much progress on mine at all. After I’ve lost my daily driver, I was forced to start renting cars everyday because I thought my car was going to be done within the next couple weeks.

I was noticed that my car was going to be done by the install day in February after my brother and I went up there to talk to Tyler. Tyler and my brother got into an argument which almost escalated into a fight. At the end, Tyler told us to get the fuck out of the shop after he acted very rudely. February 14 came and my car was still not done. I even went to the shop couple times to work on my own car. Some of my part started missing like my battery, my wastegate gasket, my O2 bungs…ect.. And to make matter even worse, Tyler started telling me that Decker is the one working on my car and that he is only in the shop 2 or 3days a week. So when Decker is not there, nobody works on my car. I was so pissed that my car was just sitting there while I was just paying for rental cars. When it came time to wire up my q45 TPS, no one at the shop knew how to wire it up after they have claimed that they did some of these swaps. I have to call or post some threads on the forums to get the answers. Tyler told me to buy a pigtail for the tps(I went to the junkyard and paid $15) and that it was needed. A pigtail which I came to find out that it was not even needed right after I’ve talked to Dave(ZULR) and Dave(V-Empire). They told me that it was not necessary to wire up the pigtails b/c it was only use for automatics transmission.

They even put the engine in without talking to me about running some of the oil lines. They told me that they didn’t know that it needed to be run (lol). The quest alternator was also not put on even though it was mention when we made the deal. They told me that it did not fit right on the engine and that’s why it was never put on, but of course we all knew that the bracket needed to be modified. They also claims that they didn’t know how to make it work. IS this really a performance shop? My brother and I went back and work on the car and run some of the oil lines after Tyler claims he didn’t know what I want to do about those oil lines. During the swaps, they broke some of my exhaust manifolds studs and claims they have fixed them but manifold still leaks like shit. I was having to go back and forth bringing them little part like hoses or clamps while they can just put it on and charge me for it if necessary. Anyway, when time came to pick up the car, it was only running on 3 cylinders and I had to call a tow truck ($300) to move the car to mainstream performance. The car was not even close to be drivable. Tyler charges me for some helicoils that they used to fix my studs although it still leaks like craps.

Tyler was supposed to do the following: Timing belt, Water pump, Q45 throttle body Quest alternator Paint engine part Custom intercooler piping Custom downpipe, and swaps. The labor was $1500 because I had provided every single part needed. I supplied everything from timing belt up to downpipe(straight pipe to make downpipe).

I moved the car from killswitch to mainstream performance and there was a tons of stuff mainstream had to fixed because fucking killswitch performance did it wrong. TurboDave and the rest of the guys were there and they can testified as what needed to be redone. At the end, I end up spending over what I was quoted by every shop in the Atlanta area.

Now I’m stock with two credit cards debt from renting cars to fixing every single thing killswitch performance fucked up. How does a shop put on an exhaust manifold that is not tight against the head and think it will just work or worse coolant leaking from hoses? Shops that really knows what they are doing do not do stupid things like that. I’m still trying to figure out how some wires come loose even though they said that they were all soldered. Even at this moment, I believe the valve timing is way too advanced on my car because I don’t get full boost until 5000rpm. IT almost sounds impossible on a t3/t4. It also turns out that they never did an rb20det similar to mine. They did George’s rb20 but it was all stock.

Learn from my experience and don’t bring your car to Killswitch Performance.

Komi.

[2isbetterthan4]

Couple days later, Tyler called and said that the XSpower exhaust manifold/turbo was hitting the valve cover that he was going to get Kyle to fix it.
Tyler was supposed to do the following: Timing belt, Water pump, Q45 throttle body Quest alternator Paint engine part Custom intercooler piping Custom downpipe, and swaps. The labor was $1500 because I had provided every single part needed. I supplied everything from timing belt up to downpipe(straight pipe to make downpipe).



Even at this moment, I believe the valve timing is way too advanced on my car because I don’t get full boost until 5000rpm. IT almost sounds impossible on a t3/t4. It also turns out that they never did an rb20det similar to mine. They did George’s rb20 but it was all stock.

Learn from my experience and don’t bring your car to Killswitch Performance.

Komi.

First off i did not re-clock your exhaust manifold. I made the custom downpipe(Which took a while since the manifold you got put the turbo in a odd place there for making it a little more work to snake it down around your steering rack and firewall. You also provided no Flex pipe)., Intercooler piping, and Exhaust. That is the only work i was contracted to do on the car. As for your late spool time, George's car on a stock Rb25 turbo didnt start spooling till like 4500, so for a bigger turbo that is pretty good.

What all did Mainstream/Turbo Dave have to fix???

I dont know a whole lot of the details between you and tyler, i do know there was alot of miscommunication between both of you, as far as what you supplied and what was too be the final outcome.

I am just making sure nothin I did was wrong.

[Decker]

sucks to hear. not to start shit, but i hope this doesnt get deleted.



it won't

[hellfire]

Oh my. LoL..

Before I go on my big response, I want to let everyone know, that there is no way to properly document everything that happened. I kept him up to date, most of the delays were because he did no have parts completed.

Tyler

[EmminoDaGreaT]

The only thing i will say that probably was not their fault was the running on 3 cyl, they prob could have fixed it, but the injectors where screwed up, and we cleaned them out and made them work.

[babowc]

Please stop posting in this thread other than vendor, customer, sub-contractors and INVOLVED parties.
You will all be cluttering up the thread and take away from the resolution.

[Carina240sx]

The only thing i will say that probably was not their fault was the running on 3 cyl, they prob could have fixed it, but the injectors where screwed up, and we cleaned them out and made them work.

Yeah we could have done that but he expressed that he didnt have anymore funds to put towards all the other labor we did on the car.

[Z-Bryan]

Im also not trying to start anything

Tyler is a friend of mine (at least I hope so...lol)

But an old white coupe the dorimon now has was originally put together pretty badly, and from what I hear it was a car done by the killswitch people

The wiring was shoddy and badly wrapped in tape and upon further inspection there was speaker wire used to splice some of the wiring.

The cat was also bolted onto the car backwards

I believe though that this was when he was working out of the backyard

I have no real personal experience, maybe now with the shop things have gotten better and more professional, but again I dont have any personal experience with killswitch

But I did think it was worth saying

[Carina240sx]

Im also not trying to start anything

Tyler is a friend of mine (at least I hope so...lol)

But an old white coupe the dorimon now has was originally put together pretty badly, and from what I hear it was a car done by the killswitch people

The wiring was shoddy and badly wrapped in tape and upon further inspection there was speaker wire used to splice some of the wiring.

The cat was also bolted onto the car backwards

I believe though that this was when he was working out of the backyard

I have no real personal experience, maybe now with the shop things have gotten better and more professional, but again I dont have any personal experience with killswitch

But I did think it was worth saying

We didnt do that.

We bought the car like that.

Carina

[Z-Bryan]

We didnt do that.

We bought the car like that.

Carina

fair enough
my bad then

[Carina240sx]

fair enough
my bad then

Thats why you dont believe what some else tells you.

*EDIT* The cars we have for sale have nothing to do with customers car. Lets keep it on topic. Thanks

Carina

[Z-Bryan]

well it wasnt really word of mouth

we got the car from tyler

It would seem the work was done by him
Apparently i am wrong, and again im not starting anything

I guess the old saying is true...
when you assume.... well you know the rest ;)

I apologize for inferring incorrectly on my part

Hopefully we are all still cool
:cheers:

[Z infidel]

While this is all very unfortunate lets try to keep accusations and assumptions to a minimum as to not destroy Tyler, Carina, and Decker's livelihood. My car has been there for quite some time now but its mainly due to the fact that they are overbooked. I know Tyler and can vouch that he will go the distance to keep a good proffesional relation with people and to keep customers happy. Its unfortunate that certain circumstances took place under said criteria and as someone that was without a daily for a bit I can feel your pain Komi. I just hope we can all keep this proffesional and if it gets heated please stick to PMs.

Cameron

[FlyingStroke240]

First off i did not re-clock your exhaust manifold. I made the custom downpipe(Which took a while since the manifold you got put the turbo in a odd place there for making it a little more work to snake it down around your steering rack and firewall. You also provided no Flex pipe)., Intercooler piping, and Exhaust. That is the only work i was contracted to do on the car. As for your late spool time, George's car on a stock Rb25 turbo didnt start spooling till like 4500, so for a bigger turbo that is pretty good.

What all did Mainstream/Turbo Dave have to fix???

I dont know a whole lot of the details between you and tyler, i do know there was alot of miscommunication between both of you, as far as what you supplied and what was too be the final outcome.

I am just making sure nothin I did was wrong.

I'm not saying that you did something wrong. Your intercooler piping and downpipe looks awesome. BUt for the records, i provided flex pipe, intercooler pipe and stainless steel pipe to make the downpipe. I'm surprise that they did not show you what all i have provided.

PS: Turbodave has to fabricate the downpipe again because killswitch just left everything in there hanging.

[Mr. Kidd]

Tyler did my SR20DET swap on my SIlvia, an the car ran flawlessly for 9 months till the day i sold it, and it still runs.

I never saw this car, but i have heard stories from both sides involved.

All i will say is that you get what you pay for, if you dont have the money, DONT HAGGLE THE PRICE DOWN. I just find it funny that someone gets quoted $2600, then haggles down to $1200 then wants to bitch about the quality of work.

I can only hope that Killswitch learns that its not worth the headache to HOOK someone up. They obviously dont need the business as they are packed.

Good luck to all

[FlyingStroke240]

Oh my. LoL..

Before I go on my big response, I want to let everyone know, that there is no way to properly document everything that happened. I kept him up to date, most of the delays were because he did no have parts completed.

Tyler

you kept me update by lying to me. Most of the times, you would say that everything in the engine bay was hooked up and then when i came buy, nothing was done. I had all the part.who knows, may be they went missing.

komi.

[hellfire]

Since everybody kept asking what went down between killswitch performance and my car, here is my side of the story.

And My side. In bold. -Tyler

MY side of the story In October of 2007, I called Tyler about doing my rb20det swap. He returned my call couple days later with a quote of $2600.00 I called him and told him that I did not have the amount of money that he was asking and well enough, we discussed the price and we came down to $1200.00 since I already have the majority of the part that was needed for the swaps. I told Tyler that I need to clean my engine bay, painted, put the crossmembers in, and then put the new custom power steering lines in my car before I bring it up there to his place.

Correct, and your quote of $2600 was for everything that you had done. But you told me didn't have the money for that. I told you I would work with you on the price. You assured me that everything was there to do the swap, NOTHING would have to be purchased.

On November 19, 2007 Tyler called and told me that they were moving from working at the house to the new shop in Atlanta and were going to establish a shop under the name “Killswitch performance”. He asked me if I found somebody to move my engine from my house to the shop but I told him no and later he called me back saying he was coming to pick it up. Later that night, he showed up in a truck and pick up my engine and I went ahead and gave him $500 for down payment on the labor and then $70 for gas. He told me that he should have it done in a week or two. A week or two went by and he called me saying that the intake manifold cooling lines were not lining up that he was going to modified the coolant lines. I told him to go ahead and do what need it to be done. I was surprised that the intake manifold did not fit because Louis (nomenai on 240atlanta) was just running the manifold on his car before he lost the engine and then sold intake manifold to me since he was parting it out.

The intake manifold fit. But the halfass'd way the coolant lines were routed underneath made them hit the water neck and wouldn't allow the manifold to go on. You also were fully aware that I was moving down here, and that obviously I would need time to setup and everything.

Couple days later, he call and told me that they have all the stuff done and were wondering when I was going to bring my car to the shop. I told them that I just got done cleaning my engine bay, put in the r32 crossmember, and that now I just need to paint it. He went ahead and told me to just bring the car up there to the shop that he’ll go ahead and finish up the paint. Since I did not have a truck, I went ahead and called a tow truck which cost me ($230) to move the car to the shop on 11-29-2007. Couple days later, Tyler called and said that the XSpower exhaust manifold/turbo was hitting the valve cover that he was going to get Kyle to fix it. I told him to go ahead and do what needs to be done. From November to January 5, 2008 I did not have much contact with them because he told me my car was going to be done by the end of December. I waited and never got any calls from them. On January 10th, after I lost my daily driver, I’ve called to see what was going on but I was unable to understand why my car was not finished within 3months. These people have claimed to do many swaps but I’m not seeing much progress on mine at all. After I’ve lost my daily driver, I was forced to start renting cars everyday because I thought my car was going to be done within the next couple weeks.

You needed fittings, throttle cable, oil lines, couplers, FMIC piping was custom made, etc. You told me EVERYTHING was there. You also wanted 17 guages hooked up.

I was noticed that my car was going to be done by the install day in February after my brother and I went up there to talk to Tyler. Tyler and my brother got into an argument which almost escalated into a fight. At the end, Tyler told us to get the fuck out of the shop after he acted very rudely. February 14 came and my car was still not done. I even went to the shop couple times to work on my own car. Some of my part started missing like my battery, my wastegate gasket, my O2 bungs…ect.. And to make matter even worse, Tyler started telling me that Decker is the one working on my car and that he is only in the shop 2 or 3days a week. So when Decker is not there, nobody works on my car. I was so pissed that my car was just sitting there while I was just paying for rental cars. When it came time to wire up my q45 TPS, no one at the shop knew how to wire it up after they have claimed that they did some of these swaps. I have to call or post some threads on the forums to get the answers. Tyler told me to buy a pigtail for the tps(I went to the junkyard and paid $15) and that it was needed. A pigtail which I came to find out that it was not even needed right after I’ve talked to Dave(ZULR) and Dave(V-Empire). They told me that it was not necessary to wire up the pigtails b/c it was only use for automatics transmission.

Actually, I told you that the TPS pigtail did not need to be connected. Just the plug into the tps itself. You insisted that it needed to be connected, and sent me writeups on how to do it.

Me and your "Brother" (Is he even your brother? I don't think so) argued because I kept trying to explain things to you and he would try and argue with me. He acts like he knows everything, and it got on my nerves. I wanted to talk to you, my customer, not some guy with a bad attitude.

And about your accusations of "claiming to do those swaps", we have done them, I have fully built motors, etc. When you brought your car to me, I wasn't even a shop. I was a guy building motors in a shed behind a house. Everyone was pleased with my work and word got around. I didn't build my reputation up by advertising myself. Others passed the word around. So sorry, I hadn't done hundreds of swaps, but I did know what I was doing.

They even put the engine in without talking to me about running some of the oil lines. They told me that they didn’t know that it needed to be run (lol). The quest alternator was also not put on even though it was mention when we made the deal. They told me that it did not fit right on the engine and that’s why it was never put on, but of course we all knew that the bracket needed to be modified. They also claims that they didn’t know how to make it work. IS this really a performance shop? My brother and I went back and work on the car and run some of the oil lines after Tyler claims he didn’t know what I want to do about those oil lines. During the swaps, they broke some of my exhaust manifolds studs and claims they have fixed them but manifold still leaks like shit. I was having to go back and forth bringing them little part like hoses or clamps while they can just put it on and charge me for it if necessary. Anyway, when time came to pick up the car, it was only running on 3 cylinders and I had to call a tow truck ($300) to move the car to mainstream performance. The car was not even close to be drivable. Tyler charges me for some helicoils that they used to fix my studs although it still leaks like craps.

We didn't drop the engine in without oil lines. You didn't have the proper lines, etc. We attached what we could and dropped the motor in to test fit to make sure the manifold would clear until we had the rest of the parts.

You didn't know the quest alternator needed to be modified. You told me it directly bolted on. You said this, I know for a fact. I told you that it needed to be modified, and that you needed to pay me for that. Because that was not talked about originally. You expected that to be done for free. You expected TONS to be done for free. Cleaning painting motor, wiring, gauges, oil cooler setup, etc. You didn't want to pay for ANYTHING. Even with the HUGE discount I had already given you.

The fact was, you didn't have the money. Thats why I didn't buy parts and put them on your bill. You told me every time you called about how you were broke and couldn't afford this, or that. How you were going farther and farther into debt. Why would I continue working on your car when you had only paid me $500, that doesn't even cover the motor swap if it was stock. I told you I needed more money to keep working. You told me that you really needed the car and that you would have the money when it was done.

Tyler was supposed to do the following: Timing belt, Water pump, Q45 throttle body Quest alternator Paint engine part Custom intercooler piping Custom downpipe, and swaps. The labor was $1500 because I had provided every single part needed. I supplied everything from timing belt up to downpipe(straight pipe to make downpipe).

Explain to me how the labor is $1500 but your total was only $1200. And then explain to me where the vacuum lines, coolant lines, fuel lines, paint, etc came from. I provided it and you wouldn't pay for it. You thought it was my job to supply those parts for you.

Plus, you forgot, Engine bay painted, motor painted and cleaned, intake manifold replaced, new injectors installed, exhaust manifold, new turbo installed, studs broken and replaced, oil lines ran, oil cooler installed, fmic mounted, FPR installed, wastegate installed, (Your wastegate dump not fitting, which you included with the parts, then at the end complained telling me you wanted it ran back into the exhaust, yet never told me that) Timing belt tensioner, all new belts (that you didn't have the right sizes of, or any at all) MAP ECU, installed and wiring. With you complaining about it not running after that was installed yet you had no base map whatsoever. Saying it was our fault.

I moved the car from killswitch to mainstream performance and there was a tons of stuff mainstream had to fixed because fucking killswitch performance did it wrong. TurboDave and the rest of the guys were there and they can testified as what needed to be redone. At the end, I end up spending over what I was quoted by every shop in the Atlanta area.

Now lets see, you complained of my prices the entire time, and told me how you had no money, yet you suddenly got money for mainstream, and also what did they even have to do? Fix some shitty oil lines and oil pressure sender stuff that you did? You installed the coolant lines as well, in order to save money. Yet you blame that on us now. Figures. What I should have done, is just let the car sit, until you were able to pay. But instead I sympathized with you and let you work on it in order to save money.

Now I’m stock with two credit cards debt from renting cars to fixing every single thing killswitch performance fucked up. How does a shop put on an exhaust manifold that is not tight against the head and think it will just work or worse coolant leaking from hoses? Shops that really knows what they are doing do not do stupid things like that. I’m still trying to figure out how some wires come loose even though they said that they were all soldered. Even at this moment, I believe the valve timing is way too advanced on my car because I don’t get full boost until 5000rpm. IT almost sounds impossible on a t3/t4. It also turns out that they never did an rb20det similar to mine. They did George’s rb20 but it was all stock.

If the timing is advanced, Mainstream should have fixed that during tuning. We never had the car running to set the timing.

If you don't have the money, you shouldn't build the car, period. You complained about money from the beginning to the end. I should have known not to even take your business.

Wires were soldered. You pulled them out trying to mess with your ECU. You told us that, and even called Decker to trouble shoot your issue after your car left mainstream. We helped you, even after we had to threaten you with calling the police last time you were here. We told you the exhaust manifold was SHITTY. It didn't seal correctly, wouldn't even go on the studs. WE TOLD YOU ALL OF THIS. I can't stand a liar. We told you that from the very beggining. I even let you use our computers here at the shop to look for a new exhaust manifold, because I showed you how horrible that one was.


Learn from my experience and don’t bring your car to Killswitch Performance.

And learn from mine. Never be nice to someone and let them become on a friend level, when they are nothing but backstabbing. I helped you out, as much as I could. I didn't charge you for nearly ANYTHING.

Plus, let me add this story. So, you came back, after your car was at Mainstream. you were looking for a 12mm socket you lost here OVER month ago while working on your car. I also had been saving some other parts I found around the shop that were yours. So I obviously didn't find the 12mm, and you started yelling, and screaming. Saying how you only buy "Husky" which is the best, and you wanted it back. I tried telling you it was over a month, and that I had no idea where it was. You ran around the shop, looking in our toolboxes. At that point, I threatened to call the police, in order to get you to leave. And that stands till now, when Decker had to call you in order to tell you that you are not allowed on our porperty. There are a couple people on here that can vouch to your behavior that day as well.

Tyler

*Disclaimer: This whole ordeal was months ago, I might not be exactly right on some issues due to the time in between. My memory is not perfect.

Komi.


Read above.

Tyler

[FlyingStroke240]

Tyler did my SR20DET swap on my SIlvia, an the car ran flawlessly for 9 months till the day i sold it, and it still runs.

I never saw this car, but i have heard stories from both sides involved.

All i will say is that you get what you pay for, if you dont have the money, DONT HAGGLE THE PRICE DOWN. I just find it funny that someone gets quoted $2600, then haggles down to $1200 then wants to bitch about the quality of work.

I can only hope that Killswitch learns that its not worth the headache to HOOK someone up. They obviously dont need the business as they are packed.

Good luck to all

I guess you get what you paid for. IT would be nice for them to let me know what i was getting myself into when we were making the deal. or at least tell me that it would take them 7months to screw up my car.

[hellfire]

So tell me please, what had to be fixed at Mainstream?

Tyler

[2isbetterthan4]

I'm not saying that you did something wrong. Your intercooler piping and downpipe looks awesome. BUt for the records, i provided flex pipe, intercooler pipe and stainless steel pipe to make the downpipe. I'm surprise that they did not show you what all i have provided.

PS: Turbodave has to fabricate the downpipe again because killswitch just left everything in there hanging.

I know you provided materials. I used what i was given. I am sorry you have to Pay Turbodave to re-do the down pipe. I made it work with what i was given in the setup that was presented. Also FEI, next time people want custom downpipes made and provide their own materials, it is much more beneficial to you to provide some bends not just a piece of straight pipe. You will pay me more to make the pie cuts for a smooth bend then it would have cost you to buy a mandrel bent piece.


kyle

[hellfire]

The only thing i will say that probably was not their fault was the running on 3 cyl, they prob could have fixed it, but the injectors where screwed up, and we cleaned them out and made them work.

I appreciate that.

Tyler

[hellfire]

I'm not saying that you did something wrong. Your intercooler piping and downpipe looks awesome. BUt for the records, i provided flex pipe, intercooler pipe and stainless steel pipe to make the downpipe. I'm surprise that they did not show you what all i have provided.

PS: Turbodave has to fabricate the downpipe again because killswitch just left everything in there hanging.

What did we leave in there hanging? What in the world are you talking about!?

Tyler

[hellfire]

Oh, and for the record. I am not deleting anything. So don't blame anything on me saying that I am trying to censor anything.

Tyler

[Z-Bryan]

There are 24 people veiwing this....hahaha drama FTL!!!!

Not really drama

Its just people want to be informed on the truth about shops

Homemade told his side, and i thought damn...a lot went wrong with his car

But Tyler made a counter point and it was a very good one, I have to side with tyler here if what he is saying is true, he does in fact keep good contact with his customers, and killswitch has blown up in the past few months with tons of business so i can see how he is swamped

he also made some sacrifices to help homemade out...while he could have been like other shops and said 2600 or nothing...he didnt though. He did all he could have done and more

[babowc]

Yes, I am deleting all your unnecessary posts.
This is between the Vendor, customer, involved parties and subcontractors.

No reason for un-related people to get involved in this discussion eventually turning this thread into a flamefest and/or resulting in a lock.

[hellfire]

Babowc, who did he insult? Come on man, his posts are useful. He has worked for shops, and been a customer. He knows it from both sides.

Tyler

[hellfire]

Oh, and forgot. You would call until Midnight. Expecting us to be up here for you to drop off a steering wheel. Swap wheels, put on a hub, etc.

Tyler

[FlyingStroke240]

What did we leave in there hanging? What in the world are you talking about!?

Tyler

Do i need to explain how the car sounded? the exhaust manifold was not even close to the head. That's why it sounded like shit, yet you knew that but still left everything like the way it was. Mainstream never touched the valve timing. The car had a base map on the ecu and to your information, it was never tuned at mainstream. the map was perfect. The whole car was just screw up from your shop and that's why it never run. You said that you build a lot of engine yet i still have to call and do my own research on how to wire up the q45 throttle body. You knew about the alternators but yet you said u don't. I showed you everything when you came to pick up the engine.
P.s: I'm not trying to prove anything. I just want people to learn from my horrible situation before they bring their car to the shop.


Not really drama

Its just people want to be informed on the truth about shops

Homemade told his side, and i thought damn...a lot went wrong with his car

But Tyler made a counter point and it was a very good one, I have to side with tyler here if what he is saying is true, he does in fact keep good contact with his customers, and killswitch has blown up in the past few months with tons of business so i can see how he is swamped

he also made some sacrifices to help homemade out...while he could have been like other shops and said 2600 or nothing...he didnt though. He did all he could have done and more

AT the beginning, it seems like tyler was helping me out but then at the end, i spent more fixing up his shit. Lastly, between killswitch and mainstream, i end up paying more than the $2600 that he quoted me.

[hellfire]

No, I know how to car sounded. That manifold was horrible, and I wasn't going to drill out more exhaust studs and helicoil it for no payment. You refused to pay, that is why your car is how it is. It is actually unfinished even by us, because I told you that you needed to come get your car, I was done dealing with you.

You had to do your own research on a TPS sensor that I had never heard of hooking up. The one that you now claim didn't need to be. So make up your mind.

I didn't know prior to putting the alternator on, that it wouldn't fit. You told me it would, so I went on that. When we put it on, it didn't line up and that is when I informed you about it. You told me that you knew it didn't fit, and expected me to modify it. Yet it mentioned nothing about it in your invoice. You knew you didn't tell me about it.

To my information? LoL.. And I thought your injectors wouldn't fire correct? Thats James said above. We didn't know if it was the lack of tune or what. Thats not our fault.

Your problem is you cannot comprehend what goes on. I'm not sure if its the language barrier or what, but you just don't get what I try and tell you.

Tyler

[hellfire]

AT the beginning, it seems like tyler was helping me out but then at the end, i spent more fixing up his shit. Lastly, between killswitch and mainstream, i end up paying more than the $2600 that he quoted me.

So, you spent at LEAST $1400 at Mainstream? And think of how little they supposedly had to fix. And how much the charge was. Thats how much you should have been charged here, but you weren't becuase you had no money so you said.

Tyler

[FlyingStroke240]

No, I know how to car sounded. That manifold was horrible, and I wasn't going to drill out more exhaust studs and helicoil it for no payment. You refused to pay, that is why your car is how it is. It is actually unfinished even by us, because I told you that you needed to come get your car, I was done dealing with you.

You had to do your own research on a TPS sensor that I had never heard of hooking up. The one that you now claim didn't need to be. So make up your mind.

I didn't know prior to putting the alternator on, that it wouldn't fit. You told me it would, so I went on that. When we put it on, it didn't line up and that is when I informed you about it. You told me that you knew it didn't fit, and expected me to modify it. Yet it mentioned nothing about it in your invoice. You knew you didn't tell me about it.

To my information? LoL.. And I thought your injectors wouldn't fire correct? Thats James said above. We didn't know if it was the lack of tune or what. Thats not our fault.

Your problem is you cannot comprehend what goes on. I'm not sure if its the language barrier or what, but you just don't get what I try and tell you.

Tyler

wherever tyler, we all knew what went down when we first spoke. It seems like the same thing kept happening over and over with your customers because i have spoken to some of them. How am i supposed to put out more money when the work progress sucks?
may be u are the one that don't get what i'm saying. sometimes, u need to relax and listen to other people in set of thinking that you know everything.

[hellfire]

I don't think that I know everything. I took what you were saying about parts you had accrued that thought that was correct. When in fact it wasn't, nothing that you provided worked together. That would have cost more money but you said you didn't have it. The entire problem really came down to your shitty combo of parts, and your lack of money to make them work together.

There are two people who I deeply owe for being so patient. And that is Osiriskidd and Z Infidel. They have been very patient with me, and I have had their cars for a good while now. I know that, and they know that. I very much appreciate their patience. Aside from those two, I do not know one other person that would have anything bad to say about me. So I assume you just made that up, or its something I don't know about, and if I don't know about it, I cannot correct it.

Tyler

[flip]

Do i need to explain how the car sounded? the exhaust manifold was not even close to the head. That's why it sounded like shit, yet you knew that but still left everything like the way it was. Mainstream never touched the valve timing. The car had a base map on the ecu and to your information, it was never tuned at mainstream. the map was perfect. The whole car was just screw up from your shop and that's why it never run. You said that you build a lot of engine yet i still have to call and do my own research on how to wire up the q45 throttle body. You knew about the alternators but yet you said u don't. I showed you everything when you came to pick up the engine.
P.s: I'm not trying to prove anything. I just want people to learn from my horrible situation before they bring their car to the shop.



AT the beginning, it seems like tyler was helping me out but then at the end, i spent more fixing up his shit. Lastly, between killswitch and mainstream, i end up paying more than the $2600 that he quoted me.

Now do you see that it would have been a good idea to just cough up the money to do it right the first time? You can't expect a business to do a service for you without proper payment...

Are you gonna go put a down payment on a car and expect to just get the whole car without paying any more? No.

[FlyingStroke240]

So, you spent at LEAST $1400 at Mainstream? And think of how little they supposedly had to fix. And how much the charge was. Thats how much you should have been charged here, but you weren't becuase you had no money so you said.

Tyler

I did not spend $1400 but i was impressed with their work unlike your shitty works. The car was not even close of being drivable when i picked it from your shop. Turbo dave can testify to it and everybody else at mainstream.
At the end, you and I knows what happens and lets just live it up to there.

I'm just advising other peoples.

komi.

[JTA021]

he just said he told you to pick up the car UNFINISHED b/c you wouldnt pay. how is an unfinished car supposed to run correctly?

[hellfire]

Well your total here was $1200. You claimed you spent over $2600. So simple math would deduct that you spent $1400 at Mainstream. Explain how you didn't, yet have spent over $2600.

I know your car was not driveable. We both knew it wasn't. I never told you to come drive it away, I told you it needed to be towed to be tuned.

Tyler

[FlyingStroke240]

he just said he told you to pick up the car UNFINISHED b/c you wouldnt pay. how is an unfinished car supposed to run correctly?

He call and told me that the car was done. Now he's saying that the car was unfinished.

I'm just warning everybody else so they don't make the same mistake i made by bringing their car to some shops and make horrible deals. I feel like i have made my point. I don't want anything from tyler but want him to be up front with their customers like telling them it would take him 7months to finish up a swap.Or tell me that he would only work on my car when decker is in the shop.


Well your total here was $1200. You claimed you spent over $2600. So simple math would deduct that you spent $1400 at Mainstream. Explain how you didn't, yet have spent over $2600.

I know your car was not driveable. We both knew it wasn't. I never told you to come drive it away, I told you it needed to be towed to be tuned.

Tyler

You and I knew what happens...so why don't we just leave it there?:mad_pirate:

[hellfire]

I assigned decker to finish your car. I didn't know what exactly he had, or hadn't done. Thats why I just left it up to him. You also had his personal number, and discussed things with him I didn't even know about. So.. It would be stupid for me to work on it when you had talked to decker about something. I would want to mess anything up that you two had talked about.

And no, I didn't call and say your car was done.. I called and said we got it to start, and that it needed to be gone. You said you wouldn't take your car until it started. You also tried to tell us that we wired it up wrong when you supplied the harness. So then you told us that we messed up the wiring. But then what ended up happening? You called the previous owner of the motor, he told you that there was some white wire that had to be connected somewhere, and we had to trace it down and wire that up. Remember that? Remember your charge for that? Zero. You paid nothing, AGAIN. You thought we should have noticed that or magically have known he didn't wire it correctly.

Tyler

[hellfire]

You and I knew what happens...so why don't we just leave it there?:mad_pirate:

What happened? If you wanted it to be left at that, you wouldn't have made the thread.

Tyler

[Z infidel]

There are two people who I deeply owe for being so patient. And that is Osiriskidd and Z Infidel. They have been very patient with me, and I have had their cars for a good while now. I know that, and they know that. I very much appreciate their patience. Aside from those two, I do not know one other person that would have anything bad to say about me.
Tyler

You have been making it up to me so I cant really complain.

Service was always curteous and the atmosphere was pretty friendly (except when Carina drove the Z and totaly didn't hammer it, what a wuss, haha). I think the biggest problem with the turnover on cars is that they are packed. 3 people for 40+ cars is a massive workload. Imagine all those customers calling in all the time with questions and concerns, that has to be a job in itself! Before someone bashes a shop over time you should check the waiting list and see what you are getting into before dropping it off, you owe it to your own peace of mind.

[2isbetterthan4]

^^ not to thread jack but i am running into a similar problem. Just because you drop your car off on tuesday, doenst mean i start working on it immediately. Just as much with paint and fabrication as anything else there are issues/problems that arise. I currently have a list of people that extends into June IF everything goes to schedule. I thank the people that have been patient with me. But in the end it comes down to money. Tyler went out of his way many times on your car(of the few times i was there to work on it) with both time(=money) and money. You haggeled him down to below half price. On my end of things i showed up made what you provided work to the best I could. I am sure both Tyler and Decker spent shit tons more time trying to make the "swap" work.


Your arguments dont seem to have many valid points, and you keep repeating the same things over and over and not answering the pertinant questions to try and come to some sort of resulution. Then you try to hush things when you think you are done "just let it be". Either answer the questions or stop continuing the thread.

[FlyingStroke240]

just stating the obvious and trying to get ya'll to a resolution. And i worked on the car so my reputation and name are on it, so it does have something to do with me.

I have not said once that you did anything wrong, in fact i actually recommend you to people.so just chill.

There is no resolution because if i had to do it all over again, my car will not be at killswitch performance. I've learned my lessons.

[RHDS13]

For my input I think that tyler did a good job on my swap considering it was done in my barn. It was also our first rb20 swap and it actually ran fine but a few wires here werent connected right. But over all I Give my Rb20 swap a 89% satisfied swap. Tyler had to search for almost 3-5 days looking for a rb20det-to-s14 wireeing diagram since there wasnt but one on the whole internet so I give them all my respect.

Keep up the Good work Tyler,Decker, and lil Carina

[FlyingStroke240]

^ with those prices you were already at 2500 w/o taking into consideration of other work needed to be done. either way tyler still gave you a deal..

I'm not saying that tyler did not give me a deal. did you even read the earlier post? It was a deal that went wrong...