ookay body kit...

[Casey]

so the more i look at my car the more i really realize how ugly it is. and even with paint its still gonna be bubbly.
i want a kit
modest but i also want a big front bumper and either keep zenki lights or get kouki conversion
as much as i said im gonna go sleeper im definatly not lol i like style and performance ... not just one i like em all

so anyone have any modest kit ideas?
for like under 600 ish bucks?
ive been googling them
but i just see a bunch of drastic changes
i want something clean and sharp. sharp lines and not too low either cuz im slamming my car

any ideas? imgonna try to find some pics of kits n stuff
maybe we can organize a body kit thread with prices and links n stuff
info for installation aswell?

[1800DialKyle]

personally i think if you got some NICE rims it would look hot with a drop. I love gold s14s with nice like 3 inch lip rims and slammed. maybe a kouki front and the kit that is on the car in our cards. but that would be too badass. i might have to kill you for your car : /

[Casey]

im goin with these rims
http://www.sportmaxwheel.com/sportmax_962.shtml#
inexpensive
nice lookin
ill get 18" staggered.
and i def want a kit. but if i get a kit ill probably drop it 2 inches instead of 3
whats the body kit in our cards?
i havent seen em yet =D
someone SCAN or take a pic of them!
lol
paint theme is gonna be dark dark blue with black upper half
black rims with chrome lip * link above *

[Joshua]

Aero with no wheels = fail.

Wheels with no slam = fail.

In conclusion: slam, wheels, aero. In that order.

[MrBojangles]

OEM FUCKING AERO.........


/thread

[Casey]

word
ive got slam on the way
Megan racing coilovers in the mail right now
wheels next then body kit when i paint it =D
i gotta get wheels before i can do my 5 lug conversion though
i thought about s14 SE wheels but id rather get aftermarket

[Casey]

OEM FUCKING AERO.........


/thread

lol not for kits?
i just dont like the bubblyness of the s14 base ... id take SE skirts and front lip from the zenki =D
but since im painting it anyways id like to find a nice looking clean kit thats not like OVER THE TOP

[1800DialKyle]

Aero with no wheels = fail.

Wheels with no slam = fail.

In conclusion: slam, wheels, aero. In that order.

:goodjob:

[1800DialKyle]

OEM FUCKING AERO.........


/thread

You are telling me you would rather have stock aero over this??
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/fastrolla/car%20pics/20070406072641.jpg

[Echonova]

Yes.

[Echonova]

You are telling me you would rather have stock aero over this??
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/fastrolla/car%20pics/20070406072641.jpg

Your gonna put on a fiberglass bumper that's more prone to cracking and chipping (not to mention driving around with it unpainted) on your DD. I would do the kouki front end, because factory trick is the trickest of all. If you don't like the looks of a car stock, a body kit is not going to help. Besides has that "aero" been wind tunnel tested, what happens when you approach triple digits? Looks good..... yes, for a show car or one that doesn't get driven much. End of rant.

[1800DialKyle]

im goin with these rims
http://www.sportmaxwheel.com/sportmax_962.shtml#
inexpensive
nice lookin
ill get 18" staggered.
and i def want a kit. but if i get a kit ill probably drop it 2 inches instead of 3
whats the body kit in our cards?
i havent seen em yet =D
someone SCAN or take a pic of them!
lol
paint theme is gonna be dark dark blue with black upper half
black rims with chrome lip * link above *
I think cody has some of those for sale.....

[1800DialKyle]

Your gonna put on a fiberglass bumper that's more prone to cracking and chipping (not to mention driving around with it unpainted) on your DD. I would do the kouki front end, because factory trick is the trickest of all. If you don't like the looks of a car stock, a body kit is not going to help. Besides has that "aero" been wind tunnel tested, what happens when you approach triple digits? Looks good..... yes, for a show car or one that doesn't get driven much. End of rant.

I am not going to get into it and start a big rant . BUT (:)) Some people think body kits are useless and i dont plan on putting one on my car untill the motor and ground work are done. First let me tell you I am building my car to slide. But some body kits do actully do something. When you are going sideways it is hard for air to reach the intercooler. Body kits help that. I think that they do serve a purpose on a drift car and I know a lot of 240 owners build there car to do just that. I can see if you were building your 240 to go fast or to do high way runs that a body kit would be pointless. But this all comes down to the saying to each there own. That is just my 2 cents. I dont wanna sound like i am dissing you cause i am not. I dont wanna start any beef with anyone. Just giving my opinion.

[Casey]

theres no way im driving around with an unpainted body kit on my car...
nuf said there
and some body kits help aero. cuz of the way the front bumper is made on the s14... it sort of curves back inward heres a pic
http://www.200sx.org/images/lowres/s14.jpg
that curving back inwards makes MORE air go under the car than wanted.
its sort of pinched under there.
on every race car you will see characteristics of creating low pressure chambers under thier cars. Positive pressure is bad it creates lift. airplane wings create lift this way haha. and low pressure will suck ure car to the road. but race cars have very very low front ends, low sideskirts, and a low rear bumper with a diffuser.
heres a corvette race car lol yes i know chevy .. w/e its got good aero
http://www.corvetteracing.com/cars/c6r/images/c6r_cutaway.jpg
in the case of the s14, if you want high speeds you need a new bumper. im not too concerned about aerodynamics but i am going to track this car eventually so ill be wanting good downforce and aero. im getting a front splitter for whatever bumper i end up driving with. i wont drive around town with a splitter on much of the time cuz it could get broken... very very easilly lol. and a working rear wing to give the rear downforce.

[CodyW]

I think cody has some of those for sale.....

yea, i have a couple pairs i might get rid of if you're interested. kinda awkward sizes, but you could make it work (i have 4 17x9's which look ok all around on a 14, and then 4 19x9.5's which i have never tried. a 17/19 stagger might be baller if you have coilovers).

[down_shift]

big look at me paint wing & aero ftw

[Casey]

yea, i have a couple pairs i might get rid of if you're interested. kinda awkward sizes, but you could make it work (i have 4 17x9's which look ok all around on a 14, and then 4 19x9.5's which i have never tried. a 17/19 stagger might be baller if you have coilovers).

hmm
what are you askin for them?
ill pm you

[AFSil80]

Just get a simple splitter and lip kit if you're concerned about being subtle. Also, it will help out on your aerodynamics.

Need proof?

Here ya go (and yes, I know I'm using Jez Horsham's S13 again):

Here's a picture of his car the way it appeared at the UK Time Attack Round 2 @ Silverstone. He ran in the 1:14.xxx time range.

http://www.h-dev.co.uk/editable_page_data/article_images/76_1.jpg

Then at Round 4, same track, same power, he ran in the 1:10.xxx range, and gave all the credit to his change in aerodynamics.

http://www.h-dev.co.uk/editable_page_data/article_images/8_1.jpg

So yea, a 'big ghey ricer wing' as he calls it, and a front splitter knocks off 4 seconds of time off at a very high speed track.

[flip]

Nice :). I like to see proof that wings actually do something... There has to be a study on it somewhere.

[Casey]

it forces your car to the road... i know it does something haha
but i was thinking about getting the japan oem front bumper sideskirts and rear bumper to make the car a little more sharp and then getting a splitter and rear wing... however the splitter i want is just a slightly curved sheet of carbon fiber =D
www.aprperformance.com
and im getting a wing from them too

[Joshua]

The kouki 180SX stuff? Psh...$$$

[Casey]

yeah but it looks sooooo goood lol
neone knwo where i can get it?

and no the silvia ... not the 180sx
whatever the s14 is over there... ive got an s14... i dont think 13 stuff can bolt onto my chassis lol
correct me if im wrong... 180sx is s13 right?

[Joshua]

Yeah RPS13. I know exactly what you're talking about now though, I just thought you had a S13 chassis.

But like I said...Pshhh $$$. Even more-so now.

[Joshua]

Btw it's called "JDM K's aero" if you want to search.

[flip]

it forces your car to the road... i know it does something haha
but i was thinking about getting the japan oem front bumper sideskirts and rear bumper to make the car a little more sharp and then getting a splitter and rear wing... however the splitter i want is just a slightly curved sheet of carbon fiber =D
www.aprperformance.com (http://www.aprperformance.com)
and im getting a wing from them too

LOL no shit! I just want to be able to present people with quanative data showing that large wings actually pose a benefit great enough to offset the cost.

[Casey]

LOL no shit! I just want to be able to present people with quanative data showing that large wings actually pose a benefit great enough to offset the cost.

lol ah
thats very true
and youd be hardpressed to put 500 into suspention parts and get the same results that a wing and splitter for the same price would.
of course dependant on the track ect ect top speed blah blah.
i still say underbody makes a huge difference and i so want it on my car ... :(
take a roll under your car and then look at the underbody of a ferrari
http://www.chinaclassiccar.org/360%20Underbody.jpg
you want streamlining under your car... think of it this way
your car is moving... air is sucking under your car and lets say you have a front splitter...
the air gets forced to be a lower pressure because the splitter creates less entry room and more under car area. thus the air expands and creates a suction to the ground... under perfect circumstances... but lets say a big exhaust system, axels, rear bumper, gas tank gets in the way.... the air slows down and creates a higher pressure chamber.... yes a front splitter would help alot but the best solution would be smooth underbody bumpah to bumpah =D

[babowc]

^but is that practical on our 15+ yr old cars?

[v-empire]

splitter is not designed to create less entry room to the bottom of the car, it is created to reduce turbulance and vortex generated around the front bumper area, thus more consistent air flow over the hood, creating a higher downforce up front. it also splits the air right at the bottom to create lower pressure and higher velocity of air passing under so your front end will be pushed down even more, which you mentioned. as a result, faster and smoother flow under the car, which could sometimes mean less like you said but not designed to restricted it.

excellent front splitters designed to channel airflow, some channel it to the brakes and away from a non flat bottom/non wind tunneled designed car such as most street cars, while others make a airfoil streamline all the way to the back exit.

somebody mentioned that aero kits are not wind tunnel tested? thats why you dont buy cheap body kits which actually slow your car down. most jdm kits are wind tested and proven. really depends on your purpose of your ride. street body kits for street cars are not too necessary coz you dont plan to dive into corners at 130 mph, and no body counting seconds, only some of us do....lol.

all this aero is good, but it adds weight and and increases drag up top with wings and what not. but its the application, to what your car is built for whether it benefits or plainly for looks. most street cars dont benefit from it. some combinations of aeros do.

for most street cars, a small front splitter will help alot. get a lower profile wing, unless you have to just spend you good earn money on a $1200 and up wing. a simple spoiler will work better than no spoiler. for a street design car, a simple spoiler, wangan wing, lip..etc will look alot cleaner and smoother and function well enough.

unless you rock a Voltex body kit and wing, no body can say crap.... if they do, they have no clue.....jk

i have friends at MIT with access to a wind tunnel and they do alot of testing on their customer's cars through scales, models and CAD. we have ran many combinations on the s-chassis cars and played around with aero, which they design and make for their rally and road racing customers. splitters, wings and roof vortex generators show significant help on s-chassis street cars. vortex generators were optimum at 30mm apart each other.


for street cars, i say make it look good, put some nice parts here and there and streetable. only enthusiast and yourself will appreciate the parts, and everybody else will care how it looks. there is almost no bothways for these $1000 cars. unless you buy a ferrarri f40 or mclaren F1 or a pagani zonda, you get the idea. dont baby the car..drive it!

[Casey]

^but is that practical on our 15+ yr old cars?

unfortunatly not
but a splitter is a start


and to v-empire

good info
but the front splitter does create a low pressure chamber up front and the actual design of it makes the air entry smaller. and you can adjust it lower or higher depending on your downforce needs / speed traveling on track.

im going to be tracking this car and probably wont roll around town with a CF splitter on the front... its not practical especialy since im planning a 3 inch drop.
and APR performance makes working tested universal rear wings and custom front splitters for way reasonable prices...
under 300 for wings and 300 for a custom splitter
they are also both adjustable
you dont gotta spend a grand on aero parts to get working parts.
and i understand a small "looks good" rear wing does help but it doesnt do squat and most would end up causing more drag than a working sharp METAL rear wing lol.
but yeah the main function of a splitter is to "split" the air but a well designed splitter should also create lower pressure under the frontend of the car aswell as higher pressure above the car for more front downforce... really this is the most needed downforce because it helps for turn-ins around corners ... the rear wing is more for stability and traction durring high speed cornering while on the throttle.
but im planning on ducting my brakes from the vent holes in the front bumper for brake cooling durring track
and im also going to run ram air into a custom airbox from the front bumper.
and the intercooler will be ducted to the front bumper aswell.
every tiny modification might seem like overkill or not worth the time but they add up.
=D
i might make an aluminum rear diffuser and patch work the underbody with small aluminum sheet metal *under diff / engine
full underbody isnt feasable but partial will help =D
i like aero
wut wut

[santacruz77]

im sorry i think alot of kits are gay just get nice wheels slam it and a nice lip thats the best lip kits are good but big kits boooo thats just me tho

[v-empire]

"......splits the air right at the bottom to create lower pressure and higher velocity...... "

"im sorry i think alot of kits are gay just get nice wheels slam it and a nice lip thats the best lip kits are good but big kits boooo thats just me tho"

i understand some prefer oem vs kits, thats why for a street car, you design it based more on your preferrences.

for a race car, its more function and form above all. that was the discussion.
do you think the new F1 cars are ugly? most people dont even bother looking at it twice, race enthusiast who understand the aero of it will drool over it...just an example.

good luck on your projects...cant wait to see them in action.

[Casey]

hmm i dont really follow the formula 1 stuff
got a link to a picture?

[shawn shawn]

Or you could be original and do what you want over what other people on a forum want you to do. If you are grip racing and you really need those 3 seconds yeah get some proven parts but if you are just a streeter get what you want. or if you drift just make your car look as rediculous as you want it to (my personal fav). If you do what others want or tell you to you wont be happy with the car and whats the point in that. :thinking:

[Casey]

Or you could be original and do what you want over what other people on a forum want you to do. If you are grip racing and you really need those 3 seconds yeah get some proven parts but if you are just a streeter get what you want. or if you drift just make your car look as rediculous as you want it to (my personal fav). If you do what others want or tell you to you wont be happy with the car and whats the point in that. :thinking:

i love the jdm aero parts
and im getting a front splitter dropping my car 2-3 inches and doing a rear wing.
most people will probably think its rice but i dun car lol
soo i am doin what i want =D

[shawn shawn]

i love the jdm aero parts
and im getting a front splitter dropping my car 2-3 inches and doing a rear wing.
most people will probably think its rice but i dun car lol
soo i am doin what i want =D

Thats what I like to hear. JDM aero is the only way to go, I wish someone would bring over the sexy style stuff.

[down_shift]

most people will probably think its rice but i dun car lol

Ive learned most people have NO taste when it comes to cars.

[Casey]

Thats what I like to hear. JDM aero is the only way to go, I wish someone would bring over the sexy style stuff.

yeah theres a guy on zilvia that sells them
he said i need:
hood
fenders
bumper
lights
grill thing

is there anything else i need
someone told me i needed a bumper bracket ...
i dunno what that is

and he also said i need the bumper reinforcement bar
.... that giant bumper bar thing i guess
but i dunno
anyone done this before>?


Ive learned most people have NO taste when it comes to cars.

and yes most other people besides me have no taste in cars
and dorimon
lmao anyone else who doesnt oppose to what im doin has taste in cars too
=D

[down_shift]

I hope you have taste because you don't seem to have knowledge. The conversion from zenki to kounki front end has been exhausted. There are tons of write ups along with pics and parts lists. So go forth and google. The information is available if you choose toi find it.

ps my personal opinion is to keep you zenki front until something happens to it, ie wreck. no need to waste money on aesthetics especially when you don't have any real mods yet. Zenkis are very hot in their own way and there is a strong argument that the lines flow better as the car was designed originally with the zenki front end. just mu .02

[shawn shawn]

Keep it zenki! Spend that money on better things.... like track time, coilovers, wheels, and aero.

[Casey]

I hope you have taste because you don't seem to have knowledge. The conversion from zenki to kounki front end has been exhausted. There are tons of write ups along with pics and parts lists. So go forth and google. The information is available if you choose toi find it.

ps my personal opinion is to keep you zenki front until something happens to it, ie wreck. no need to waste money on aesthetics especially when you don't have any real mods yet. Zenkis are very hot in their own way and there is a strong argument that the lines flow better as the car was designed originally with the zenki front end. just mu .02

is it just me or are you kinda rude sometimes...
that pm about my sig being weird or something
and then theres this post saying im dumb
theres been others i just dont feel like looking it up
so you can have your 2 cents back
this isnt IA ... we try to keep rudeness out of the forums :goodjob:


Keep it zenki! Spend that money on better things.... like track time, coilovers, wheels, and aero.

anyways
lol
ill probably keep zenki but if i paint the car im definatly doing the conversion aswell as jdm aero front bumper and maybe rear bumper... *undecided there*
but its going to be some of the last things i do
ill sell the car a year from now probably for another project
maybe s13 next time =D

[1800DialKyle]

Or you could be original and do what you want over what other people on a forum want you to do. If you are grip racing and you really need those 3 seconds yeah get some proven parts but if you are just a streeter get what you want. or if you drift just make your car look as rediculous as you want it to (my personal fav). If you do what others want or tell you to you wont be happy with the car and whats the point in that. :thinking:

+1

[shawn shawn]

haha! I guess if your just building a street cruiser thats cool but if you start racing/drift alot you will see where im coming from. If I didnt buy tires once or twice a month id be throwing my money at some more glam parts too.

[shawn shawn]

oh and downshift tends to be blunt but he is a good guy...




or is he.... :taunt: jk

[Decker]

anyone wanna buy my s15 conversion? I've got everything but the front bumper ...

[v-empire]

everybody starts out somewhere in life. its good many are asking and helping each other out. alot of times, many experienced tuners get irritated at alot of these discussions because its every where on the net for ages, either give your opinion to help or they will learn and figure it out.
the site is new and alot of people are new to this...good luck and i hope to see members grow strong....
you southerners are extremely polite on the forum..or try to be...lol
good luck.



www.dentsport.com
tora attack factory

[Casey]

anyone wanna buy my s15 conversion? I've got everything but the front bumper ...

how much?

[down_shift]

is it just me or are you kinda rude sometimes...
that pm about my sig being weird or something
and then theres this post saying im dumb
theres been others i just dont feel like looking it up
so you can have your 2 cents back
this isnt IA ... we try to keep rudeness out of the forums :goodjob:

alright here is a serious post. rude sometimes? maybe I guess. Info is out there for those who want to find it. I did. Its just weird to me that people jump on a board and ask questions when it is blantatly obvious that they didn't bother to take a minute and try to figure it out on their own. I know when I was first in the market for a 240 I poured over the boards for weeks reading and reading and reading and reading. If I had a question I searched around. I was/am really pasionate about it so it was fun. Again I don't see why others aren't doing this themselves. Its not the questions that bother me. Its the spoon feed mentality that bugs the shit out of me. I see it like this, people who don't care very much just ask becuase it the easy way out. Don't ask people to give you the info, take some initiative. Find me at an event I will talk your ear off and give you every source I have. I'm generally a nice guy. I never called you dumb. Theres a difference between stupidity and ignorance. Lacking knowledge is not dumb. Most of the people on IA that are asses are the people that actually know something. But yeah that site is ummm yeah.

Alright long post over back to body kit disscusion.

[CodyW]

werd.

[v-empire]

Quote:
Originally Posted by viperbite
is it just me or are you kinda rude sometimes...
that pm about my sig being weird or something
and then theres this post saying im dumb
theres been others i just dont feel like looking it up
so you can have your 2 cents back
this isnt IA ... we try to keep rudeness out of the forums


lmao.......this is classic! omg.......viperbite, i am your new fan...please come introduce yourself next time you see me..... reading your posts makes my day fun.... reading through your posts on other threads, you are hilarious.

come by the shop or meet and say hi..please.

my name is dave.


good luck.




www.dentsport.com

tora attack factory

[Casey]

Quote:
Originally Posted by viperbite
is it just me or are you kinda rude sometimes...
that pm about my sig being weird or something
and then theres this post saying im dumb
theres been others i just dont feel like looking it up
so you can have your 2 cents back
this isnt IA ... we try to keep rudeness out of the forums


lmao.......this is classic! omg.......viperbite, i am your new fan...please come introduce yourself next time you see me..... reading your posts makes my day fun.... reading through your posts on other threads, you are hilarious.

come by the shop or meet and say hi..please.

my name is dave.


good luck.




www.dentsport.com

tora attack factory


lol... umm aight
im the dude who had that 1995 se part car that yall were interested in buying the front core support from.
i talked to john about it.
but yeah
did yall find one?

[v-empire]

still have no idea who you are but ok, come say hi anyways...lol

i dont know about the core support but there is a damn s14 in my parking spot with no core support on it!..lol i need to have a word with them about that... haha joking.

[Casey]

still have no idea who you are but ok, come say hi anyways...lol

i dont know about the core support but there is a damn s14 in my parking spot with no core support on it!..lol i need to have a word with them about that... haha joking.

if its black then thats probably it
i saw it
SE with SE rims
stock stock stock lol
just needs a radiator core support front end pieces and a few other things